Who broke America

[Dr Bunsen Honeydew]

Naive and simplistic, you couldn't be more wrong Jammy. He is the personification of the problem, everything is conflict, he couldn't exist without it. He is the main reason I put up this thread.

[Copperblue]

Naive and simplistic, you couldn't be more wrong Jammy. He is the personification of the problem, everything is conflict, he couldn't exist without it. He is the main reason I put up this thread.

+1^10

[savvypaul]

He is the personification of the problem, everything is conflict, he couldn't exist without it. He is the main reason I put up this thread.

My gut reaction is to feel the same about Trump, but for one thing...he will change what he says and turn completely about face without concern or shame in order to do a 'deal' with anyone if and when it serves his purposes.

They used to call that being a liar, now it's called being a 'transactional politician'.

So, the irony is that he may well be more able to do deals with Senate than Obama or Clinton. The deals will surely be horrible, but they will get done.

[Dr Bunsen Honeydew]

The USA is becoming a post industrial society the same as we have had to become. Trump is the personification of the backlash by the Luddites. The days of brains, talent, skill, artistry, artisanship are now replacing the days of muscle and brawn, all change is hard but must happen.

[savvypaul]

The USA is becoming a post industrial society the same as we have had to become. Trump is the personification of the backlash by the Luddites. The days of brains, talent, skill, artistry, artisanship are now replacing the days of muscle and brawn, all change is hard but must happen.

Yes...and Clinton's task is to accept and demonstrate understanding of the challenges that causes, and find a way to bring the disenfranchised / disadvantaged / frightened into that new world without allowing someone like Trump to prey on people's prejudices. Obama seemed to be making a decent effort of a very tough job. I would venture that he would still win a landslide against Trump if running again.

[Dr Bunsen Honeydew]

Indeed it is a hard job. In many ways back to the future, the pre industrial land based and artisan based economy as the machine completely takes over the function of work would be a start point but it has to fit with increased population and lesser available land mass. Many changes due - better does not always mean more profitable - growth is not always good - the tyranny of the machine will have to be faced - the replacement of technology with genetic based 'ology, etc.

Our freedom away from the rules and restriction of the EU (which will atrophy until it learns) would make us a natural base for this development. We initiated the 1st industrial revoluution, the USA (with us) initiated the second industrial revolution, again we can create the 3rd industrial revolution to the post industrial age.

[savvypaul]

The growth of the artisan economy - creative, personalised, sustainable, done with love and care - is the most rewarding thing to aim for. A switch from 'volume' to 'value'. I very much hope that is the course we can follow.