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You'll take my fun away if I did that.

And on a point of fact, I had no idea who made the decision.

Daniel Quinn wrote: ↑Fri May 31, 2019 9:51 pm You'll take my fun away if I did that.

I imagine you'd think of something else...

Look on it as you assisted in my rehabilitation.

I'll happily settle for that...

It is a fact that I am overweight and occasionally obnoxious, but if you call me a fat arsehole on a thread where I am not the topic then it would still be ad hom

No it wouldn’t, it would just be insulting. It would be ad hominem if I suggested that your argument was incorrect because you were a fat arsehole.

Ffs, I said if it was relevant.

There are plenty of topics he could initiate that would make him being obese a relevant fact.
Similarly the intellect of the poster was relevant.

where I am not the topic

You did see that bit I assume?

Lurcher300b wrote: ↑Sun Jun 02, 2019 11:56 pm

It is a fact that I am overweight and occasionally obnoxious, but if you call me a fat arsehole on a thread where I am not the topic then it would still be ad hom

No it wouldn’t, it would just be insulting. It would be ad hominem if I suggested that your argument was incorrect because you were a fat arsehole.

Arsehole's are not known for holding valid points of view. Therefore, by clear implication, calling someone an arsehole when they are not the subject of a thread is ad hominem.

Lindsayt wrote: ↑Mon Jun 03, 2019 3:31 pm Arsehole's are not known for holding valid points of view. Therefore, by clear implication, calling someone an arsehole when they are not the subject of a thread is ad hominem.

That makes no sense to me. Sorry. I quote from Wiki on the subject.

It should also be noted that an ad hominem fallacy occurs when one attacks the character of an interlocutor in an attempt to refute their argument. Insulting someone is not necessarily an instance of an ad hominem fallacy.

First paragraph of the wiki entry says:
"Ad hominem (Latin for "to the person"[1]), short for argumentum ad hominem, is a fallacious argumentative strategy whereby genuine discussion of the topic at hand is avoided by instead attacking the character, motive, or other attribute of the person making the argument, or persons associated with the argument, rather than attacking the substance of the argument itself."

Calling someone a fat arsehole in the context of a discussion on hi-fi is avoiding genuine discussion as it is attacking an attribute of the person making the argument. It is certainly not attacking the substance of the argument to call someone a fat arsehole during a discussion on hi-fi.

If someone were on a fitness forum and was going on about a particular diet and exercise regime that they used, then it may not be ad hominem to call them fat if they were somewhat overweight.