Streaming- Naim Musical Fidelity etc

All general audio posts go here.
Forum rules
1. No ad-hominem
2. No spamming or shilling
User avatar
Latteman
Posts: 343
Joined: Tue Aug 14, 2018 7:20 pm
Location: S. Yorkshire
Great Britain

Streaming- Naim Musical Fidelity etc

Unread post by Latteman » Tue Apr 16, 2019 7:34 pm

Being new to streaming I wondered wot you are using; it’s a crowed market and a varied market not only in price but in specifications. You add additional dac facilities, a pre amp, remote and fancy display screen its starts to add up. £££££ There are some ridiculous units on eBay.
I currently am experimenting with several budget items- initially had a £20 Chinese Bluetooth rx/ tx with optical and analog inputs. I Bluetooth this from cdp and more recently a Tibo smart streamer to a project receiver box E into either Beresford dac or straight to the P50.
The tibo can control the volume via its remote. I also have an Apple TV box I AirPlay to which is optical out to the Beresford dac then P50.
To play my digital that is max 6 boxes and min 3 boxes depending on the source.
I like the music (vinyl taking a back seat as I experiment) and sometimes iPhone- Pro-Ject box E - p50 is all I need but ties up my phone.
Browsing I see units from MF- M1 clic for example or Naim Uniti.... which are a few years old now but would reduce my box count; would the sound quality be any better- difficult to gauge - I want streamer for internet radio, airplay, dac, pre-out, large display & remote- 😙
Wot do you use
RIP Doc
Analogue Source-
ARB Turntable & 10” dual pivot arm, Grado Reference Prestige 1 MI
Funk Firm Vector V, Acos modified tonearm, Grado Gold Prestige MI
Nva Phono 1 (external psu)
Digital Sources- Denon CEOL Piccolo, iPhone 6s
Amplification-NVA P50, A20 (x2), A60
Speakers- Diy BBCubes on Nva Stands;
Ls6, Ls5; SSP
Mini BMU

User avatar
Dr Bunsen Honeydew
Posts: 31011
Joined: Wed Jul 11, 2012 7:26 pm
Location: Muppet Labs
Great Britain

Re: Streaming- Naim Musical Fidelity etc

Unread post by Dr Bunsen Honeydew » Tue Apr 16, 2019 7:57 pm

The whole market is bonkers IMO. All you need is a computer, a USB - HTML converter, a Chinese £5 dac (and linear PSU), and membership to Tidal or similar, is it really any harder than this.

Less than 100 squids plus membership to the source of the music.

User avatar
terrybooth
Posts: 3915
Joined: Wed Jul 11, 2012 6:49 pm
Location: West Yorkshire
Great Britain

Re: Streaming- Naim Musical Fidelity etc

Unread post by terrybooth » Tue Apr 16, 2019 8:25 pm

Chromecast/BubbleUPnP and RaspberryPi/Dac Board/Volumio with ripped CDS on a SAN
Pioneer PL71/DL103/ Phono2/HiFiPi/P90SA/TIS/CubixPro two-up

User avatar
Rick4001
Posts: 58
Joined: Mon Aug 15, 2016 5:30 pm
Location: Pulborough, West Sussex
Great Britain

Re: Streaming- Naim Musical Fidelity etc

Unread post by Rick4001 » Tue Apr 16, 2019 8:27 pm

I'm new to streaming as well, didn't want spend loads of pounds as it's not my prime source so I bought a second hand Cambridge NP30 for £100. It goes into my MF DAC and MF tube buffer and on into the shouty bits. Sounds pretty good using Spotify Premium and I quite like investigating all the online radio stations. I've no thoughts of changing for a more modern or fancier unit, it's simply a convenient way to listen to music.
My stuff; Toshiba SR-370/Mission 774 /Ortofon Quintet Black, Cambridge CXC CD transport/modified Musical Fidelity X DAC/modified Musical Fidelity X10v3 tube buffer, Nakamichi CA5E preamp, Passive RVC, Proton AA-1150 DMC power amp ,Mordaunt Short Signifer on original factory stands, NVA LS5, Cambridge NP30 network player, Mogami with Neutrik RCA, Sennheiser HD650, 600, Koss Pro4 AA.

Vinyl-ant
Posts: 235
Joined: Sat Jul 01, 2017 12:51 pm
Location: South yorkshire
Contact:
Great Britain

Re: Streaming- Naim Musical Fidelity etc

Unread post by Vinyl-ant » Tue Apr 16, 2019 8:34 pm

I still use a Squeezebox.
Have tried a few different ways with a mac mini and an apple TV, but went back to the Squeezebox.
I've got 2 now so if one packs up I have a spare.
I keep going back to the Squeezebox because it suits me perfectly. I can see the display from across the room about 5m away as it's big and clear, it has both optical and coax out if I want a dac, and sounds fine off its own outputs.
Does all the stuff off iTunes I have plus radio, and there are plug-ins available for other subscription based services.
Not very expensive either
BTE designs type 2 lenco, Audio Technica AT1100 AT150mlx (his), JVC QL-Y5F Audio Technica AT150sa (hers)
Benedict audio hothead mm phono stage
BTE designs type 1 custom khozmo shunt build passive pre,
PASS F5 dual mono Power amp
modified Philips cd371
Squeezebox classic
fane 15" sb speakers
BTE designs balanced power supply

User avatar
Fretless
Posts: 4549
Joined: Wed Nov 12, 2014 12:15 pm
Location: Somewhere in Holland
Netherlands

Re: Streaming- Naim Musical Fidelity etc

Unread post by Fretless » Tue Apr 16, 2019 9:16 pm

My primary source is streaming, mainly from ripped CD's as files on a network HD.

Pi-based streamers are cheap and cheerful with add-on boards from the likes of HiFiBerry and Allo giving either analogue or digital output. Software is free to use and the user interface can be run from any smartphone, tablet or PC.

Because a Pi is a standalone computer which is here dedicated to the sole task of processing music signals, SQ can be very impressive.

Upgrading to better boards, power supplies etc won't break the bank either.
Main: NVA: P50sa - SSP - A40 - LS6 - Cube2 - BMU
Pi: Allo DigiOne Signature/Volumio/Tomanek LPSU/Jitterbug
DAC: Metrum Acoustics Musette CD Transport: Cambridge CXC
Headphones: AudioQuest NightHawk Carbon Amp: Schiit Magni-3
DAC: Musical Fidelity M1DAC Digital i/c: Profigold Oxypure OCC

User avatar
CN211276
Posts: 2527
Joined: Tue Aug 09, 2016 9:29 am
Location: Cardiff
Wales

Re: Streaming- Naim Musical Fidelity etc

Unread post by CN211276 » Tue Apr 16, 2019 10:54 pm

Almost everything I play is streamed, either from Qobuz or ripped CDs. My set ups are detailed in my signature. The main system is not cheap but putting things in context I do not believe a vinyl or CD front end could compete at the same price. I have experienced two quantum leaps in SQ. The first was the addition of a WiFi streamer which replaced a physical connection to my PC. The second, accounting for most of the cost, is the Mscaler, a technology which I think has raised the bar when partnered with a transparant system. I have the cheapest DAC which will provide the maximum upsampling. DACs do sound different and the SQ of the three I use is reflected in their prices. I recognise the diminishing returns as DAC prices increase.

Being able to control everything from the same phone, which I do not use for calls, is important to me. I stream to my main system through the BubbleUp App. There is a physical connection via USB Audio Player Pro to the second system, or headphones where ever I am.
I set a course just east of Lyra
And northwest of Pegasus
Flew into the light of Deneb
Sailed across the Milky Way

Sonore microRendu/McRU PS, AQ J-bug, Wirewold Ultraviolet, Chord Mscaler/Qutest, Geitnote Apogee, NVA BMU, P90SA, A80sMk2, Phono 1, SSP Mk 2, TSCS, TIS mk2, Cube 1s, Atacama stands, Rega Planar 3, Denon DL-110, Grado SR 325e, headphones.

Second system
Chord Mojo (also HP amp), NVA P20, A20, Cubettes, SSC, LS3.

Out and about
Oppo PM3, Audioquest Dragonfly Red.

BillyBones
Posts: 426
Joined: Sat Feb 14, 2015 8:11 pm
Great Britain

Re: Streaming- Naim Musical Fidelity etc

Unread post by BillyBones » Wed Apr 17, 2019 6:35 am

Vinyl-ant wrote:
Tue Apr 16, 2019 8:34 pm
I still use a Squeezebox.
Have tried a few different ways with a mac mini and an apple TV, but went back to the Squeezebox.
I've got 2 now so if one packs up I have a spare.
I keep going back to the Squeezebox because it suits me perfectly. I can see the display from across the room about 5m away as it's big and clear, it has both optical and coax out if I want a dac, and sounds fine off its own outputs.
Does all the stuff off iTunes I have plus radio, and there are plug-ins available for other subscription based services.
Not very expensive either
Same for me. I've been using my Squeezebox Touch for all my streaming and internet radio for many a year now. Long discontinued now by Logitech but it's a star and plenty available 2nd hand for about £100-£125. Plenty of advice and help on the slimdevices.com forum too.
P20 + A30 + LS3 + SSC + Squeezebox Touch + Yiang Sheng DAC-01A + Pioneer PD-30AE CDP + Synology DS118 NAS + Cube 2's sat on top of 70cm Atacama stands + Beyerdynamic DT770 Pro 80 ohm headphones

Stemcor1990
Posts: 282
Joined: Wed Nov 05, 2014 11:06 pm
Great Britain

Re: Streaming- Naim Musical Fidelity etc

Unread post by Stemcor1990 » Wed Apr 17, 2019 5:15 pm

My track record with streaming is with 3 different sources.

First up was a Naim NDX which I purchased new. Took about 2 months to burn in. Was ok one day and awful the next.... The addition of a Naim dac did not bring much of an improvement. Adding a Teddy XPS to the dac finally made streaming worthwhile but this was not what anybody would call an inexpensive option.

As part of my migration from Naim to Teddy Pardo, the Naim dac/Teddy XPS was replaced with a Teddy dac with a volume control. One less box and money in the bank ! Oh, also an improvement (to my ears).

The NDX was subsequently replaced by a squeezebox touch with a Teddy psu and was a welcome improvement. If you have a squeezebox then I would recommend that you consider one of Teddys power supplies. They are superb value for money.

The squeezebox needs a network attached storage drive to work. The other Stemcors were always complaining about the flashing lights (I suspect they had visions of the thing bursting into flames in the middle of the night). The NAS was replaced by a second hand Mac mini to give me the classic Mac and dac combo. I like it as much as squeezebox and domestic harmony has been restored.

If I was to think about a change then I would take a long look at a raspberry pi. I know that others have been full of praise and it seems to me that there is something of the “less is more” about the device.

On the subject of dacs; I think that the Teddy dac is excellent but I also took a punt on the docs £5 Chinese dac with a separate psu (total cost about £50). You get about 95% of the Teddy dac for a very small investment. It’s well worth considering. If any body is curious and wants to borrow mine, please make your interest known in this thread and we can then discuss further via pm.

User avatar
Latteman
Posts: 343
Joined: Tue Aug 14, 2018 7:20 pm
Location: S. Yorkshire
Great Britain

Re: Streaming- Naim Musical Fidelity etc

Unread post by Latteman » Wed Apr 17, 2019 6:43 pm

CN211276 wrote:
Tue Apr 16, 2019 10:54 pm
The main system is not cheap but putting things in context I do not believe a vinyl or CD front end could compete at the same price.
Beginning to believe this- and that is why I wonder about ‘better’ equipment- saying that I just bought a new tonearm and a MI cartridge- Grado Prestige Reference 1- the wood body one.
(Total price paid was +£300- could do a lot with that...)
RIP Doc
Analogue Source-
ARB Turntable & 10” dual pivot arm, Grado Reference Prestige 1 MI
Funk Firm Vector V, Acos modified tonearm, Grado Gold Prestige MI
Nva Phono 1 (external psu)
Digital Sources- Denon CEOL Piccolo, iPhone 6s
Amplification-NVA P50, A20 (x2), A60
Speakers- Diy BBCubes on Nva Stands;
Ls6, Ls5; SSP
Mini BMU

Post Reply