Noise

[Dr Bunsen Honeydew]

I tolerate most modern Jazz but can someone please tell me how Ornette Coleman can ever be describe as making music.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DNbD1JIH344

[jammy395]

Jazz can be a funny old thing, especially freestyle. (Try Frank Zappa's - Make a Jazz Noise Here)...........Oooo Errrr

But I do think Jazz is a bit of a licence to Sing, Screech, or fart about - Bit like modern Art really.

[Fretless]

Jazz can be amazing - ideally you need to see the interplay between the musicians on stage.

Don't know which Ornette Coleman disc you're spinning there. But try 'Something Else!!!' which is a relatively straightforward Bop set and fun. Ornette Coleman was ahead of the rest in the late 50's and opened the door to a more abstract form of which John Coltrane is the best known name in.

I used to think Coltrane's music was also just 'noise' but at a certain point I began to see what he meant and now can really enjoy most of what he did (except the really late 'spiritual' stuff - that is too extreme). If you want to hear some really good, pleasing jazz then listen to Coltrane's take on 'My Favourite Things'.

John Coltrane - My Favourite Things

Bet you wish you had that USB gizmo now

[Dr Bunsen Honeydew]

Well it is not only Jazz, what about this idiocy by Karlheinz Stockhausen

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cjKVJ2z66fk

[Fretless]

Stockhausen is not too far away from the first effort by Tangerine Dream - which many regard as a classic (not me, by the way).

Tangerien Dream - Electronic Meditation.

And i'd stay away from the Likes of Varese and Gubalaidina if I were you ....

[jammy395]

Ah Edgar Varese - Mr Zappa's Hero and Favorite Composer.

Ionisation is a good un by EV.

[alfafan123]

Am I alone in finding my musical tastes have changed?

In my distant youth I was a Yes fan although I am sure my parents thought it was noise to them as it reverberated through the house. Today OK they are not noise to me but some of their stuff , and others for that matter, now sound a bit pretentious to me.

[Dr Bunsen Honeydew]

Well for a while (early 80s) Rick Wakeman sort of gave up music and started a business in Peterborough making flight cases. Their unit was next to mine in Tresham Road (Tresham Audio) so I got to chat to him a fair bit. And he was as pretentious if not more so in real life than he was on stage and with his music. I still liked him in a way as he was a caricature of his time, and a very friendly chap. We had fun bitching about people we had met and knew in the music industry.

[_D_S_J_R_]

I'm using Yes' Topographic Oceans as a test disc right now and boy is it hard going. For 'light relief,' I played Chris Squire's 'Fish Out Of Water' and some of that is a bit meh as well, although 'Lucky 7' remains a favourite.

[joe]

The Fall correctly summed it all up:

'Right noise.

We're gonna get real speedy
We're gonna wear black all the time
You're gonna make it on your own.

Cos we dig
Cos we dig
We dig
We dig repetition
We dig repetition
We've repetition in the music
And we're never going to lose it.

All you daughters and sons
who are sick of fancy music
We dig repetition
Repetition on the drums
and we're never going to lose it.

This is the three R's
The three R's:
Repetition, Repetition, Repetition'