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The trick, I found, with Piers Morgan, is to insist that he's agreeing with me, as opposed to me agreeing with him. It makes the situation slightly more bearable. :lol:
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Nearly 1,500 deaths in one day: UK ministers accused of downplaying Covid-19 peak
Official toll passed a thousand on 22 consecutive days – far more than daily briefings said


Ministers have been accused of playing down the gravity of the coronavirus pandemic after it emerged that more than 1,000 people died every day in the UK for 22 consecutive days – in stark contrast with daily tolls announced by the government.

According to an analysis of official figures, the darkest day came on 8 April as the country prepared for Easter under lockdown, when a record 1,445 people died from Covid-19 in 24 hours.

The figures – encompassing deaths in hospitals, care homes and private residences – are far higher than the numbers announced by ministers during that period at the daily Downing Street briefings, as the pandemic peaked faster than forecast.

Critics say ministers should have more clearly underlined that the reported death tolls were underestimates of the true tallies as they only counted deaths in hospitals after positive Covid-19 tests, excluding thousands who died in care homes.

It was not until 29 April that the government changed its daily data to include deaths in all settings, including those without a test. The Department of Health and Social Care has said it was technically challenging and time-consuming to collate the data and ensure the cause of death attribution was correct.

On 9 April the foreign secretary, Dominic Raab, standing in for the hospitalised prime minister, said the death toll had increased by 881 on the previous day. The actual death toll was 64% higher than that.

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You would like to think that they wouldn't get away with this , wouldn't you ? Hopefully there will be some kind of enquiry at least :|

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luckyredfish wrote: Mon Jun 22, 2020 8:44 am You would like to think that they wouldn't get away with this , wouldn't you ? Hopefully there will be some kind of enquiry at least :|
The daughter of someone who died in a care home has started proceedings with crowd funding. I hope charges of mass manslaughter will stick as this is what it is.
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Trouble is after Chilcot any public inquiry will be hamstrung at birth . Lets face it Chilcots report was damning of the Blairwitch, but it took so long to report that any real sting was long gone and Blair had already trousered the book royalties etc.

However delayed any findings may be there is no way that the current regime will allow any proper scrutiny of their actions. The precedent is there with the 250th inquiry into race, led by someone who doesn't believe in institutionalized racism. Likewise the Grenfell inquiry will somehow fail to recommend any prosecutions for corporate manslaughter.

Unfortunately I simply don't believe that this country has the mechanism for an independent, non partisan inquiry into anything. Boris will absolutely make sure that whoever is marking his homework is a full blown Boris apparatchik.

It is quite funny that the further to the right that the UK and the US drift, the more their methods seem to resemble the GDR.

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It's like the EIGHT recent inquiries into racism, and the 9th that is on the way to prove that Mister Floppy, out PM, has "listened" to the BLM movement. So far the score is inquiries 8 recommendations resulting from those inquiries actually implemented 0. Nine-nil can't be far away. :roll:
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Tory MPs are desperate to ditch “incompetent” Matt Hancock, saying the Health Secretary has “cost lives” and should have known his failed tracking app would never work.

This week he abandoned plans for the NHS to have its own app for logging who Covid-19 patients had come within two metres of.

The app, in development for months and tested on the Isle of Wight, only registered four per cent of nearby iPhones.

Hancock tried to blame tech giant Apple, saying the firm would not change its technology to help the app work. Apple said it knew nothing about the Government’s proposal.

But ministers had already hit a similar problem trying to develop a different app two years ago – when Hancock was in charge of UK digital policy.

Home Secretary Sajid Javid wanted to use a smartphone app to register 3.5 million EU citizens for settled status in the UK before Brexit.

That also worked with Android phones, but not with iPhones.

Apple refused to make what it saw as compromises to its software, despite a visit from Mr Javid to its Silicon Valley HQ.

A former official on the project said: “It was no secret in Whitehall that Apple wasn’t cooperating. Matt Hancock would have known that; he was the Secretary of State for Digital for goodness’ sake.

There’s no point spending millions on an app without Apple’s assurance they’ll make it work.

One angry Tory said of the latest fiasco: “Many MPs want to see the back of Hancock. His incompetence has cost lives. But there’s no way the PM can fire his Health Secretary in the middle of a pandemic. That would destroy what public confidence is left.”

The Health Secretary has been under fire for a string of blunders, including failing to get enough PPE – then blaming frontline NHS staff for using too much.

He is also in charge of social care, seeing the death rate double in April when care homes were flooded with residents sent back untested from hospitals.

And he tried to keep care home deaths out of daily statistics – giving figures as much as 64 per cent lower than they really were.

On April 8, when 1,445 died, the official figure was 881.

Now his contact tracing system is working in fewer than three-quarters of cases. Of 5,949 cases notified in the week from June 4, just 4,366 were reached by tracers.

Another senior Tory MP said: “The trouble with Matt Hancock is he is obsessed with targets. Which he frequently misses.”

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And now the government in charge of hundreds of billions of pounds throws its hands in the air and states we have no accurate way of recording how many individuals have been tested :shifty:

https://www.theguardian.com/world/live/ ... b96dd6f5f2

No 10 says it has abandoned attempts to provide daily figure for number of people tested for coronavirus
The Downing Street lobby briefing is over. Here are some of the main points.

The prime minister’s spokesman said that the government has now abandoned attempts to provide a daily figure for the number of individuals being tested for coronavirus. Early in the crisis the government did publish daily figures for the number of individuals tested, alongside figures for the number of tests carried out. But the figure for the number of individual figures became increasingly embarrassing because, as the government intensified testing to meet its target of 100,000 tests a day by 1 May, the gap between the number of individuals being tested and the number of tests being carried out became ever larger. (On 30 April, when the government hit its target, 122,347 tests were carried out, but only 73,191 individuals were tested.) In May the government stopped publishing daily figures for the number of individuals being tested. Officials said that the government would resume publishing this figure once it had found a way of ensuring that the statistics were robust, and that people were not being counted twice. But today the spokesman said that that goal has now been dropped. He explained:
DHSC [the Department for Health and Social Care] will no longer publish the number of people tested daily anymore, and will instead publish the number of daily tests processed. This is because the daily people tested statistic only counts new people being tested. For example, someone who was tested in February, and then tested again this month, would be counted once. Considering hospital and care home staff will now be tested on a regular basis, we don’t think this statistic would be an accurate reflection of the amount of daily testing that is taking place.

Test and trace statistics published weekly will include the number of people who have been tested.

But when the spokesman asked why it was not possible to change the system so that it could count a person being tested on a given day, even if they had been tested before, the spokesman was unable to give an explanation. He was also unable to explain why the government has continually given a figure for the number of testing kits sent out, but no figure for the number of testing kits sent out that do not get returned.
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I'd say there was a very fair chance that they know precisely what the figures are, and they're shite.
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