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Re: Coronavirus restrictions: are they legal

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Lindsayt wrote: Wed Apr 14, 2021 1:05 pm
CN211276 wrote: Wed Apr 14, 2021 12:58 pm

Freedom to gas six million jews.
How many Jews were gassed in Germany in 1936?
The writing was on the wall.
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Lindsayt wrote: Wed Apr 14, 2021 1:04 pm
So eating more than 2 egss per day should be banned? And made a fineable offense for anyone doing so?
Would be a bit difficult to enforce. Especially re baked cakes :grin:
Lindsayt wrote: Wed Apr 14, 2021 1:04 pm
...by the same token not wearing a seatbelt is safe if either your vehicle and all the vehicles around you are travelling at under 5 MPH.
But they're not all travelling at under 5mph.
Lindsayt wrote: Wed Apr 14, 2021 1:04 pm

Travel insurance is not compulsory when someone goes ski-ing.
No, but your medical bills might be a bit of a shock, and you may not receive all the treatment that you need.
Lindsayt wrote: Wed Apr 14, 2021 1:04 pm
How does not wearing a seatbelt impinge on the rights or welfare of others?
I gave my view on that, earlier.
Lindsayt wrote: Wed Apr 14, 2021 1:04 pm
Any more than eating unhealthy food, smoking, ski-ing, sky-diving or a whole host of other activities that can and do result in injury or death?
They are activities that people enjoy, so the risk equation is set in that context, although smoking is banned in many public spaces in order to eliminate harm to others. Society tends to indicate what it is acceptable to legislate, and what is not. Whether that 'indication' is intelligent, or not, is another matter.
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valvesRus wrote: Wed Apr 14, 2021 1:11 pm
Surely the actual number is irrelevant ?

Ethnic cleansing is abhorrent (or should be) to all of us, yet it still happens today, in China for one.
Do you know the answer to the question of how many Jews were gassed in Germany in 1936?

If you don't know the answer, how can you make any judgement on whether the number is irrelevant or not?

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CN211276 wrote: Wed Apr 14, 2021 1:20 pm
The writing was on the wall.
Straw man argument.

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Lindsayt wrote: Wed Apr 14, 2021 1:09 pm
savvypaul wrote: Wed Apr 14, 2021 1:00 pm
A relevant comparison would be against other countries who are experiencing an ongoing pandemic. The only country I can think of. off the top of my head, that has had a deliberately more liberal approach, is Sweden.

There's no doubt that the restrictions have been sweeping and drastic. But so is the virus.
2 wrongs don't make a right.
196 wrongs don't make a right.

One way of looking at it, is what does this tell us about the nature of governments, in general in 2020 and 2021?

Globally, is there a culture of Governments being there to serve the people?
Or is there more of a culture of the people being there to serve the Government? Or to be their pawns? Or a resource to be managed by the Government?
Can you demonstrate how the Coronavirus restrictions are serving the government?
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savvypaul wrote: Wed Apr 14, 2021 12:21 pm
Only a temporary fail. Posted wrong link.

Here's the correct one: https://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/202 ... tents/made

I got that by googling 'face masks law shops'.
Still a fail.

The legislation you linked to says:
"Requirement to wear a face covering whilst entering or remaining within a relevant place

3.—(1) No person may, without reasonable excuse, enter or remain within a relevant place without wearing a face covering.

(2) The requirement in paragraph (1) does not apply—

(a)to a child who is under the age of 11;

(b)to a person responsible for a relevant place or an employee of that person acting in the course of their employment;

(c)to any other person providing services in the relevant place under arrangements made with the person responsible for a relevant place;
"

This legislation therefore does not apply to a delivery driver making a deliver to a pharmacy. Because he's providing services to the shop under arrangements made by the shop staff.

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Lindsayt wrote: Wed Apr 14, 2021 1:28 pm
valvesRus wrote: Wed Apr 14, 2021 1:11 pm
Surely the actual number is irrelevant ?

Ethnic cleansing is abhorrent (or should be) to all of us, yet it still happens today, in China for one.
Do you know the answer to the question of how many Jews were gassed in Germany in 1936?

If you don't know the answer, how can you make any judgement on whether the number is irrelevant or not?
I admit I don't know the exact number. I could look it up on Google, but the fact (and it is a fact) that millions of Jews were sent to concentration camps by the trainloads to be annihilated in gas chambers is undisputable.

It saddens me that you are perusing this argument.

I'm over 70, and reasonably healthy, but I'm really glad our government have done so much to protect me, and my friends and family from the pandemic.

Yes, mistakes were made, and (in my opinion) more could have been done, but there has been no precedent in modern times to refer to.

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Lindsayt wrote: Wed Apr 14, 2021 1:36 pm
savvypaul wrote: Wed Apr 14, 2021 12:21 pm
Only a temporary fail. Posted wrong link.

Here's the correct one: https://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/202 ... tents/made

I got that by googling 'face masks law shops'.
Still a fail.

The legislation you linked to says:
"Requirement to wear a face covering whilst entering or remaining within a relevant place

3.—(1) No person may, without reasonable excuse, enter or remain within a relevant place without wearing a face covering.

(2) The requirement in paragraph (1) does not apply—

(a)to a child who is under the age of 11;

(b)to a person responsible for a relevant place or an employee of that person acting in the course of their employment;

(c)to any other person providing services in the relevant place under arrangements made with the person responsible for a relevant place;
"

This legislation therefore does not apply to a delivery driver making a deliver to a pharmacy. Because he's providing services to the shop under arrangements made by the shop staff.
That would depend on the definition of a 'person providing services'.
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valvesRus wrote: Wed Apr 14, 2021 1:39 pm

I admit I don't know the exact number. I could look it up on Google, but the fact (and it is a fact) that millions of Jews were sent to concentration camps by the trainloads to be annihilated in gas chambers is undisputable.

It saddens me that you are perusing this argument.

I'm over 70, and reasonably healthy, but I'm really glad our government have done so much to protect me, and my friends and family from the pandemic.

Yes, mistakes were made, and (in my opinion) more could have been done, but there has been no precedent in modern times to refer to.
How many millions of Jews were sent to concentration camps and annihilated in gas chambers in Germany in 1936?

It annoys me that people in this thread are erecting straw arguments in response to what I've actually said in this thread.

Do you think it's fair and reasonable that that delivery driver was given a Covid Fixed Penalty Notice? The one in the Auditing Britain Youtube video that I linked to a few pages ago.

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savvypaul wrote: Wed Apr 14, 2021 1:44 pm

That would depend on the definition of a 'person providing services'.
Well what do you call it, if it isn't providing services? When a delivery driver carries a box of items ordered by the shop into the premises?

What would any reasonable person call it?

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