Coronavirus restrictions: are they legal

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Lets get some perspective. Influenza has a contagion pattern of 1➡1➡1➡1➡1 Covid19's contagion pattern is 1➡3➡9➡27➡81 so even in just 4 steps we have 121 people infected compared to 5 with influenza. With a mortality rate amywhere between 20 amd 40 times that of influenza you can see why extreme measures have been taken. This is not the FLU and anyone who questions the legality of legislation or the seriousness of this virus is a FOOL.
In a capitalist society the last thing in the world governments are willing to do is shut down the economy. That has been done now. An indication for any doubters to how bad this is.
Be ready for the long haul guys. I cannot see these measures being lifted until an anti Covid19 immunisation is available for everyone.
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Chunk McDaniel wrote: Thu Mar 26, 2020 6:34 pm Lets get some perspective. Influenza has a contagion pattern of 1➡1➡1➡1➡1 Covid19's contagion pattern is 1➡3➡9➡27➡81 so even in just 4 steps we have 121 people infected compared to 5 with influenza. With a mortality rate amywhere between 20 amd 40 times that of influenza you can see why extreme measures have been taken. This is not the FLU and anyone who questions the legality of legislation or the seriousness of this virus is a FOOL.
In a capitalist society the last thing in the world governments are willing to do is shut down the economy. That has been done now. An indication for any doubters to how bad this is.
Be ready for the long haul guys. I cannot see these measures being lifted until an anti Covid19 immunisation is available for everyone.
Stay safe and don't be a dick. This is not speaker cables or fuses being debated.
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Coronavirus: Police get new powers to enforce protection.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-52053527

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Coronavirus cough attacks a crime, says prosecution chief.

Anyone who coughs on key workers as a threat amid the coronavirus crisis will face serious criminal charges.

The warning from the Director of Public Prosecutions for England and Wales comes after reports of essential workers being coughed at by people claiming they have the virus.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-52052880

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Daniel Quinn wrote: Thu Mar 26, 2020 6:12 pm If you want to ask critical question about this epidemic. Of more interest and slightly less self interest is.

The NHS ability to cope due to underfunding.
The Switch from herd immunity to isolation in such a short time span
Austerity consequences on our public services ability to cope.
The very fact that state intervention as proven to be a political point not an economic one. In short their is a magic money tree.
Problem is, we’re borrowing from many of its future harvests.
20 years of austerity...?
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Governments infrequently run a surplus budget. Borrowing is what they do. Its politics not economics to have austerity.

Thatcher never ran a surplus .

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Chunk McDaniel wrote: Thu Mar 26, 2020 6:34 pm Lets get some perspective. Influenza has a contagion pattern of 1➡1➡1➡1➡1 Covid19's contagion pattern is 1➡3➡9➡27➡81 so even in just 4 steps we have 121 people infected compared to 5 with influenza. With a mortality rate amywhere between 20 amd 40 times that of influenza you can see why extreme measures have been taken. This is not the FLU and anyone who questions the legality of legislation or the seriousness of this virus is a FOOL.
In a capitalist society the last thing in the world governments are willing to do is shut down the economy. That has been done now. An indication for any doubters to how bad this is.
Be ready for the long haul guys. I cannot see these measures being lifted until an anti Covid19 immunisation is available for everyone.
Stay safe and don't be a dick. This is not speaker cables or fuses being debated.
9/11 was not the same as previous terrorist attacks.

There was a culture in 2004 that anyone that questioned the legality of what the American Government were doing in response to 9/11 was a FOOL. This was a new War on Terror which only a FOOL would have questioned the seriousness of.

Where one stands on this matter may depend upon on where one stands on the philosophical spectrum of:

Are we citizens here to do what the Governement tells us?
Or should the Governement be there as a servant of the people?

Who should serve whom? You may feel that both should serve each other. Which would put you broadly in the middle of the spectrum.

In times of crisis, governments don't half have a habit of treating citizens as being there to do the will of the government. Which they are good at wrapping up in the patriotic rhetoric of "For the good of the country."

We can all have our own personal feelings and opinions on this.
Some people are highly patriotic and will be willing to do pretty much anything for their country, including die for it.
Whilst others believe that countries are artificial constructs that deserve no special form of loyalty or service at all.
And many are somewhere in the middle of these extremes.

History is a fascinating subject. Because what happened in the past is good for shining perspective on what is happening today (as a general comment, not just today as in Coronavirus).

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And yet critical comment went on during 9/11, cf Noam chomsky

Nobody is critical of the governments current stance..

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I read, on another forum, an argument that the police are acting politically by stopping people from driving to quiet locations to exercise or walk dogs.
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It was one person advocating it, he was confused. Somebody mentioned police and crime commissioners, but they are elected. Ie, politicians.

He was trying to say manpower choices are political decisions by the police. I think he may have been drunk.

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