Obfuscation

[valvesRus]

I'm a bit confused about all the "obfuscation" that DQ is railing against.

Is this "obfuscation" deliberately introduced by clever posters, or is it unwittingly offered by those poor uneducated plebs with a poor grasp of the English language ?

DQ and obfuscation ARE the subject.

[joe]

In hifi, as in many things, there are facts and there are opinions. Facts shouldn't be obfuscated but opinions can be nuanced, and may require something more subtle than 'X is great, Y is crap'. To some, that may come across as obfuscation.

[CN211276]

There is a grey area between facts and opinions, particulary when it comes to speakers and analogue v digital.

[valvesRus]

Perhaps DQ can give us a link to a post where obfuscation has occurred so we can all see what the hell it's all about, and rationally discuss the problem ?

[scotty38]

There is a grey area between facts and opinions, particulary when it comes to speakers and analogue v digital.

How is that so, any examples? To me a fact can be proved ie this dac's frequency response is X and this turntable's frequency response is Y. X is better than Y would be a fact. X sounds worse than Y is an opinion which is equally valid. Facts shouldn't have a grey area so I am interested in your thoughts....

[CN211276]

There is a grey area between facts and opinions, particulary when it comes to speakers and analogue v digital.

How is that so, any examples? To me a fact can be proved ie this dac's frequency response is X and this turntable's frequency response is Y. X is better than Y would be a fact. X sounds worse than Y is an opinion which is equally valid. Facts shouldn't have a grey area so I am interested in your thoughts....

Measurements do not tell the whole story by a long way. Our enjoyment of music is affected by things we cannot measure. In terms of measurements digital wipes the floor with analogue, yet many prefer vinyl. Another example is speakers. They can be designd with computers and all sorts of high technology to measure perfectly, but playing music in a domestic environment is a different matter. This is a fact. A change of rug significavntly altered the sound of my system. High Fi Subjectivist is an appropriate name for this forum.

[scotty38]

Agree 100% but you said there's a grey area between fact and opinion, I was saying a fact is a fact and can be shown to be so, proved if you will. Whether that fact makes one thing more enjoyable or not is not the issue, I am asking what is they grey arey if a fact is not a fact?

[joe]

Indeed. An example of fact would be that component A will work in a certain circuit and component B won't. If both work, but produce a different type of sound, preference for one over the other is all down to subjective opinion, or taste.

[CN211276]

Indeed. An example of fact would be that component A will work in a certain circuit and component B won't. If both work, but produce a different type of sound, preference for one over the other is all down to subjective opinion, or taste.

I would go along with this. Different people prefer different types of sound.

[slinger]

If I say I think my system sounds fantastic that's my opinion. It's also a fact that I think it sounds fantastic. If you tell me it can't sound fantastic because of my choice of components that's your opinion, not a fact. If you come and listen to my system and dislike it then that opinion becomes a fact as far as you're concerned, but it remains an opinion as far as I'm concerned.

What grey areas?