IF there's another Brexit referendum...

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Lindsayt
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Re: IF there's another Brexit referendum...

Unread post by Lindsayt » Wed Mar 13, 2019 8:08 pm

Lurcher300b wrote:
Wed Mar 13, 2019 9:41 am
Lindsayt wrote:
Wed Mar 13, 2019 12:46 am
So, what happens if the House of Commons doesn't pass the vote for a no deal Brexit and doesn't pass the vote for an Article 50 extension? Now that it has voted twice to reject May's proposed deal?

And if Article 50 get's extended, doesn't that just mean that there's been a huge cock-up on May's part by not working to the deadline?
Despite volting for no no deal, not voting for a extension will lead to a no deal as there is nothing else in place in law. There has clearly been a huge cock up, but May tried to force the issue by the threat of a no deal, hoping that would make her deal the best worst option. So she did meet the deadline, its just what she came up with was no good. She handed in her essay on time, but it was marked as a F.
Yeah but Mrs May and her cabinet set the timetable and the main objective wasn't to have a vote on a deal before March 29th. The objective was to have the best possible Brexit for the country set in law in advance of the 29th of March.

We should have been at the stage we're at now 6 months ago. And then we could have moved onto a No Deal vote in the Commons, followed by a 2nd referendum on the nature of Brexit in good time to make it happen.

Tabling a proposed deal was only half the job. The other half was to get it, or something else agreed in UK law. So no, I don't accept that May has met the deadline.

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Re: IF there's another Brexit referendum...

Unread post by Hannes-Gregor » Wed Mar 13, 2019 10:40 pm

Lindsayt wrote:
Wed Mar 13, 2019 6:56 pm
Dr Bunsen Honeydew wrote:
Wed Mar 13, 2019 10:13 am
It is a political chicken run, always has been since negotiations started.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BGtEp7zFdrc
So Brexit is a waste of a couple of classic 1950's cars? Metaphorically speaking. Sounds about right.

I also see it as a reminder that politicians, in general, are hopeless at organising or running anything. Or more to the point, a committe of 650 is far too large to make meaningful decisions and progress on something as nuanced as Brexit.
I think the problem is that most politicians, more or less, aren't the most intelligent, but the most egocentric people. You can't expect clever decisions from them when their only aim is to be recognized by the public. The number of them doesn't play any role. One could be enough to produce a lot of rubbish.

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Re: IF there's another Brexit referendum...

Unread post by Lurcher300b » Wed Mar 13, 2019 10:41 pm

a committe of 650 is far too large to make meaningful decisions and progress on something as nuanced as Brexit.
While some would have us believe that the entire population of the country was able to make a meaningful decision?

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Re: IF there's another Brexit referendum...

Unread post by CN211276 » Wed Mar 13, 2019 11:08 pm

It is a total shambles and has to go back to the people now they are aware of the full implications.
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Re: IF there's another Brexit referendum...

Unread post by Fretless » Wed Mar 13, 2019 11:21 pm

Perhaps the EU will be prepared to make concessions if the UK withdraws from the Article 50 procedure altogether.
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Re: IF there's another Brexit referendum...

Unread post by Classicrock » Thu Mar 14, 2019 4:28 pm

CN211276 wrote:
Wed Mar 13, 2019 11:08 pm
It is a total shambles and has to go back to the people now they are aware of the full implications.
That we didn't know that MPs are complete knob heads?

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Re: IF there's another Brexit referendum...

Unread post by Dr Bunsen Honeydew » Thu Mar 14, 2019 4:40 pm

All forms of democratic capitalism are corrupt, it is just every alternative becomes more corrupt - ergo, human beings are naturally corrupt. The problem with politics and politicians is they are constantly selling themselves and the rewards are votes, so all the corruption appears in spades as the ONLY thing that is important is to be elected and to have power, nothing else matters, and any lies or corruption is justified, it has always been like this and even worse in history. In everything (including hi-fi) the corrupt use and abuse the stoooopid.

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Re: IF there's another Brexit referendum...

Unread post by Lindsayt » Thu Mar 14, 2019 5:37 pm

The smallest countries tend to have the best governments.

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