Defending your home.

[savvypaul]

Listen to youselves!!!!!!!!!!!! Yes he (was) a bad man. Again he shouldn't have been there and yes he's a crook, and no respecter of privacy, security or ownership. I'm not going to argue his background et al as it's not really applicable or relevant.

But the man is dead. His children have lost their father and their mother her partner. He deserves to have been locked-up, pay his dues and the insurance company can deal with the rest. Yes I've been burgled and yes I've been angry. But I would't wish the man dead.

We have to have due process which sets us apart from more radical or primitive cultures where guilt is assumed by circumstance. Come on.... let the law take its course. The law after all is what makes us civilized.

Of course his background is relevant; he was a scrote and the World is a better place without him. Decent human beings don't do what he did.

Would you introduce the death penalty for anyone committing burglary, then? Or just those with the 'wrong' background?

[guydarryl]

wonderful with wife and kids, just breaks in to oap's house in the early hours of the morning, threatens householder with screwdriver and has previous - sorry heard this sort of shit before.

[savvypaul]

wonderful with wife and kids, just breaks in to oap's house in the early hours of the morning, threatens householder with screwdriver and has previous - sorry heard this sort of shit before.

Death penalty for all burglars, then?

[George Hincapie]

You aren't seriously defending a burglar are you?

[George Hincapie]

wonderful with wife and kids, just breaks in to oap's house in the early hours of the morning, threatens householder with screwdriver and has previous - sorry heard this sort of shit before.

Death penalty for all burglars, then?

If they die, they die. No tears shed from this callsign.

[savvypaul]

You aren't seriously defending a burglar are you?

Of course not. I'm defending the law.

[guydarryl]

wonderful with wife and kids, just breaks in to oap's house in the early hours of the morning, threatens householder with screwdriver and has previous - sorry heard this sort of shit before.

Death penalty for all burglars, then?

Please don't: I have grown to expect more from you.

No where do I say or suggest anything so ridiculous. If someone feels threatened and protects themselves then that can hardly be related to death penalty.

I just get pissed off with the hand wringing post event from friends and relatives about how wonderful people were when their actions show that they really were not.

[savvypaul]

Due process must be followed. The law must be applied in all cases.

If the homeowner acted purely in self-defence then he will not be convicted of murder. But if, for example, he chased after the burglar out of revenge then he will be convicted of murder - because that is, murder.

We know very little of the facts, but it is possible to have sympathy for the homeowner and, at the same time, have sympathy for the innocent children that the burglar leaves behind.

[George Hincapie]

You aren't seriously defending a burglar are you?

Of course not. I'm defending the law.

What precisely is it you're defending? I just want to make sure I understand where you are coming from.

Certain US States have the 'Make my day' law, which is a no retreat principle on your own property. You could shoot a burglar and kill them and face zero legal action. That's what we ought to have in the UK; a man's home used to be his castle.

[George Hincapie]

Due process must be followed. The law must be applied in all cases.

If the homeowner acted purely in self-defence then he will not be convicted of murder. But if, for example, he chased after the burglar out of revenge then he will be convicted of murder - because that is, murder.

We know very little of the facts, but it is possible to have sympathy for the homeowner and, at the same time, have sympathy for the innocent children that the burglar leaves behind.

Is anyone suggesting there shouldn't be sympathy for his children?