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Well at least we are not like Zimbabwe, ludicrous place, a bit like AoS pretend democracies that are really dictatorships, like most African states

It took six months and a lot of work but we’ve caved completely, says David Davis...

http://www.thedailymash.co.uk/politics/ ... 1129140020

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/busin ... 81841.html

That is the trouble, there is bias, lies, and bullshit on both sides of this argument, pretty much just like everything else in politics.

What bullshit is there on the no campaign

Spreading (or trying to) spread doom and despondency about if we leave, the same as the yes say doom and despondency if we stay. I am of course simplifying it, but that is what it boils down to, normal lying politics. Either way there will be disruption, when we voted we voted for disruption that was the only certainty in the process. In the end nothing of real importance will change, we will still be here, doing what we always do, maybe a bit less maybe a bit more of it. So much hot air being expended over what is largely a load of

FFS a stupid Davis parody in the Mail - not an actual quote and some no nothing economists guessing figures again. Every forecast so far has turned out to be pessimistic. Reality is we probably have saved another 100,000 EU patients potentially turning up at A&E'. Even if we pay 50 billion Euros it's half what they wanted from us at the start! Probably won't actually ever pay it all and if £ goes up it will be cheaper. Judging by the news last night NHS would save more if it stopped killing babies and creating an army of disabled to treat for the next 60 years. .

The Daily Mash is a spoof news / satire site.

Was it Michael Gove that said "Britain has had enough of experts"?

I haven't seen the NHS story. Does it have any relevance to Brexit?

Dr Bunsen Honeydew wrote: ↑Wed Nov 29, 2017 2:13 pm That is the trouble, there is bias, lies, and bullshit on both sides of this argument, pretty much just like everything else in politics.

There is politics and there is economics. We have to live with the latter. Many will find a way to survive or even prosper, others won't be so lucky.

Austerity 1930s style.



Now, we're all in it together. So has anything changed?

Leaving Europe is economically distaterous

Short term - long term. How big a disaster, a red top headline disaster or one approaching the reality of the word. A disaster for whom, I don't see it changing my life. Sorry Savvy, historically correct as it is that cartoon is of the 1930's, and if you know history then the recessions in Victorian UK killed more children, made more people starve, destroyed more jobs, but people really couldn't give shite back then. We were a fully classed society, which led to the creation of socialism and communism. All the time society is changing, we are also curing racism and sexism, not many -isms left, apart from to finally throw out and grow out of all religions, all of these things are because people are becoming more aware, it is harder to completely brainwash and bullshit them, but is still work in progress. Left v right, in EU v out Eu, they are all bollocks with their own brainwash. I just sit back and watch with amusement in the few years left to me.

The genetic programming built into humans that creates their nature will always prevail, that is until we start to manipulate those genes, nearly there