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Absolutely right. It is right that you are at liberty to express your feelings appropriately. I suspect it is the perception that your feelings of disgust sometimes sound like moral judgement that cause offence to others (who are also at liberty to feel their own disgust when reading your opinions. That's fine, we can all cope with our feelings of disgust :-D ).Dr Bunsen Honeydew wrote:Of course not Art, I said it is probably my age and generation, but to see two men holding hands and kissing makes me feel sick and disgusts me. I can't help it, it happens, so it is my reality.
Less than 50 years ago homosexuality was illegal. Perhaps it was the case that the effect of "nurture" was in fact to repress homosexuality though law and the making of homosexuality a taboo? Perhaps it takes time for this repressive effect of nuture to fade? Perhaps this process of fading repression that is still in progress?Dr Bunsen Honeydew wrote:OK we get to the argument of nature or nurture. If it was nature it would not be growing phenominem, so it has to be nurture and societies greater acceptance.
Imposed in what way?Dr Bunsen Honeydew wrote: my only problem is it being imposed on me.
Perhaps "non-adaptive" would be a better phrase? "Unnatural" can be easily (mis?)interpreted as a moral judgement.Dr Bunsen Honeydew wrote:The argument that is undeniable is that unless a man and women come together to exchange genetics there is no offspring, two men cannot do it, so it cannot be considered natural in natures or any other terms and if it became the norm then the human race would die out.
Also, "adaptive" and "natural" aren't always the best arbiters of behaviour. As a man I have the adpative / natural capactity for such unsavoury things as racist thoughts, as well as for behaviours such as rape and murder. Obviously these wouldn't be considered "desireable" simply because they are natural or adaptive. We also have natural and adaptive capacities for compassion, morality and humanity. These are part of many people's reality too.
You're right though, it is currently a mystery how humans have evolved a capacity for homosexuality, but that current mystery certainly doesn't make it de facto wrong.
My point is as my sexuality is *normal* so I don't need to even consider it in my social interaction, but I can imagine it being a minefield for homosexual men and very frustrating. Interestingly I think I am an aberration as well that is definitely due to nurture. I had three elder sisters and no brothers, I had an overly attentive mother and a distant and nasty and uncommunicative father who only expressed jealousy as I was young and had the things he wanted again, so very much lacked male models in my social growth. I have never had really close male friends and I find the competitive nature of much male bonhomie to be irritating. My best friends have always been women, including ex girlfriends as I am able to have non sexual or not even slightly bordering on it relationships with women. OK I find a lot of their interests outside of mine but a balance of views and in company fun develops. Nadia found it odd to begin with but she sees me as I am. AND Nadia is by far my best friend in this world and that includes our arguments, they are part of it.
Do we care, should we care. It seems Wanker is taking over the forum.
DQ look at the post before last one above and have a good laugh.
Ref: http://www.audioflat.co.uk/phpBB3/viewt ... ?f=7&t=671YN wrote:My 'partner' (girlfriend/paramour), who loves music, thinks the whole hi-fi business is most bizare and that I'm very eccentric. Looking at my carefully organised pile of cables does make me wonder that she may well have a valid point.
He's got a girlfriend now. Good for him. Although I think it's off-topic to bring girlfriend / boyfriend / husband / wife into any hi-fi forum discussion.
Perhaps I thought it because he acts the arse so much
Just seen this, Evolution can be a lot more complex than natural selection through reproduction. A similar argument to yours can be made that grandmothers serve no purpose, so why has evolution lead to women becoming infertile after a certain age. But in this case it shows how natural selection can select for individuals that don’t play a direct part in reproduction being of benefit to the group as a whole.If it was nature it would not be growing phenominem
https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/na ... xplanation