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Unread post by _D_S_J_R_ » Thu Feb 07, 2019 9:52 pm

Daniel Quinn wrote:
Thu Feb 07, 2019 4:17 pm
Stuff the structural changes its still springs in compresion with an ac motor costing peanuts.
Not sure the motor is 'peanuts' and springs in compression, although not seen to be ideal, still results in a stable enough system after a fair bit of work done decades ago, this before the tonearm cable is introduced. Set up a Gyrodek lately? Nothing like as stable and the 'sound' still seems to 'swim' slightly in comparison, the hanging suspension often wobbling all over and needing much patience to minimise this. Anyway, the deck I personally favour is half the price with arm fitted, has no suspension, is far less siting fussy and sounds at least as good to me (and was hugely better than an LP12 back in 1988).

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Unread post by Classicrock » Thu Feb 07, 2019 10:05 pm

_D_S_J_R_ wrote:
Thu Feb 07, 2019 9:52 pm
Daniel Quinn wrote:
Thu Feb 07, 2019 4:17 pm
Stuff the structural changes its still springs in compresion with an ac motor costing peanuts.
Not sure the motor is 'peanuts' and springs in compression, although not seen to be ideal, still results in a stable enough system after a fair bit of work done decades ago, this before the tonearm cable is introduced. Set up a Gyrodek lately? Nothing like as stable and the 'sound' still seems to 'swim' slightly in comparison, the hanging suspension often wobbling all over and needing much patience to minimise this. Anyway, the deck I personally favour is half the price with arm fitted, has no suspension, is far less siting fussy and sounds at least as good to me (and was hugely better than an LP12 back in 1988).
You obviously haven't tried a recent Orbe? No swimming and rock solid. I find the spring arrangement far better than the compression type as used in Thorens and Linn which are susceptible to footfall. As for the standard motor it is cheaper than used in other decks. If you want a DC motor you have to pay an extortionate amount to Linn. Standard on Michell decks for past 20 years.

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Unread post by CN211276 » Fri Feb 08, 2019 11:47 am

An entertaining disagreement between Marco and Macca on the dynamic range of vinyl thread concerning hi res. On this very rare occasion i go along with Marco.
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Unread post by alfer » Fri Feb 08, 2019 11:49 am

Well another human being has purchased a magic box, listened to it and experience an excellent gain in his sound stage. We have definite jumps in SQ significant leading to being well chuffed.

I hear pockets chinging.

Maybe it is the variable air pressure with this wind (sound being air pressure variation)

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Unread post by Eric Shun » Fri Feb 08, 2019 12:06 pm

Plus it’s nearly all off in the “Dynamic Range of Vinyl Recordings” thread between Jabba and Pacamacca! Great fare for a filthy Friday! Macca used the word invalid to describe the all knowing ones experiences and that has lit his short fuse. Marvellous stuff :dance:

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Unread post by scotty38 » Fri Feb 08, 2019 1:30 pm

"We will fall out if you're not careful" "We won't fall out about it" :lol: :lol:

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Unread post by alfer » Fri Feb 08, 2019 4:50 pm

I don’t care what Ocrams ears can hear in his environment. I understand he listens in a big box.

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Unread post by Dr Bunsen Honeydew » Fri Feb 08, 2019 5:05 pm

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Unread post by Classicrock » Fri Feb 08, 2019 5:21 pm

Macca has got his head in the sand re hi-res digital. I've had the same argument with him here. Marco is right for once. Telling Marco he can't possibly hear a difference between hi-res and CD resolution does not seem a wise position based on past history. I doubt Macca has actually listened to hi-res formats properly and like certain individuals on Hoffman Forum uses measurements to justify a position that can easily be disproved subjectively. Same goes for vinyl resolution / dynamic range. Usually vinyl sounds better even if it's source or mastering. I've yet to hear the claimed superior dynamic range of CD even before loudly mastered CDs hit the market.

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Unread post by Dr Bunsen Honeydew » Fri Feb 08, 2019 5:59 pm

Trouble is we love Marco being wrong, it gives us the giggles and brings on the piss take, but by the law of averages even someone as thick as him must be right on the odd occasion.

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