It is your baby and you love it, perhaps it is time for another baby contest, the truth always comes out if people want it to and are willing to participate.keepitsimplestupid wrote: ↑Sun Apr 15, 2018 4:09 pmPlease explain your post. I'm sure myself and all the other builders of the Paradise would love to benefit from your experience and technical expertise in this area.
Is it that you don't think that careful matching of input stage transistors in a zero feedback amp proving 1500x gain is pointless, or that the swap to a later revision of the PSU board with an extra 3rd cap in the smoothing bank, taking a C-L-C-R filter to a C-L-C-R-C filter is pointless?
1. No ad-hominem
2. No spamming or shilling
No, apparently I mistook you for someone who values right and wrong.
Doc, it's not really my baby. I've contributed a little to the knowledge base on how to build them and I did a run of PCBs (at cost) for anyone who missed out on the original group buy PSU-PCB offer.
I don't need a phonostage bakeoff to tell me that adding a third capacitor to a mains PSU filter bank can help reduce mains ripple further. I have an oscilloscope for that.
I find bake offs tend to be a bit like a Nordost cable demo, there's always one guy trying to influence everyone and tell them what they should think. I don't think one can beat a simple long term home demo of an item to ascertain its performance and likability.
I don't have an interest in comparing a Paradise to other phonostages; I've done that already. There's been no paradigm shift in phonostage design since I did, and no new entrants into the top of the market at anywhere near a price that i could afford, so my search is done. Should anyone else want to hear one then there's plenty enough of them out there for them to hear one. It's a bit like looking through the glass of a closed sweet shop window though- you can't generally buy a Paradise, so why bother tormenting oneself by going to listen to one?
Can I just clear up any confusion, I would regard the matching of the transistor in the front of the paradise as one of those things that matter. However I have seen in forums some people taking that matching way beyond the point where it makes a difference. Beyond a point the only way to match parts is in the circuit they are used in, or a matching rig that simulates the expected operating conditions. Static matching can only take you so far.only the things that matter matter . The trick is to find which those mattering things are.
Bake-offs are subject to the integrity of the participants.keepitsimplestupid wrote: ↑Sun Apr 15, 2018 5:00 pm
...I find bake offs tend to be a bit like a Nordost cable demo, there's always one guy trying to influence everyone and tell them what they should think. I don't think one can beat a simple long term home demo of an item to ascertain its performance and likability...
If there's someone at or after the bake-off expressing different qualities to what I heard (EG vinyl source A had better bass than source B when I heard it the other way round) or widely different quantities (EG phono stage A was pissed on by phono stage B when I heard audible but not huge differences) then I'm not going to change my mind.
And sometimes bake-offs are more an exercise in psychology than the merits of the equipment, especially when one or more participants has a vested emotional interest in one component and lacks integrity.
However, what I usually find at bake-offs is that there's a good consensus on the nature of the differences. And that bake-offs are a good truth test to the online forum hyperbole that can build up on certain products.
And a long term home demo is only an extended personal bake-off, assuming there's a resident component being compared against. And I have always found that any significant differences between components has always been apparent during the first few minutes of a bake-off (same track same volume or with the better component at a slightly lower volume) and that long term home demos have never told me anything important that I couldn't hear during the first track anyway.
Anyway, I don't agree that long term home demos do beat bake-offs. And that this is especially true when someone is doing a long term home demo and never invites anyone whose opinion I trust to come and listen.
Bake offs have the advantage of bringing several bits of kit to one place - an insight into more of the 'runners and riders' and a chance to have wider experience in the room.
Home trials are fine but you are only comparing A against B. If neither is great then you haven't achieved very much.
In theory, bake offs are no less open to agendas than forum 'user testimonials' but such agendas should be easier to spot at bake offs. If everyone in the room is disinterested when one one bit of kit plays but then one attendee says that said kit was the winner (or very close to) then that sticks out pretty quickly.
The more bake offs you can get to, the better, imo.
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Over complicated hi-fi v music, should be a good fun bake off. And you are wrong no one dominates any I have been to, are you referring to yourself
I'm not interested in valve kit, but have heard some great sounds from Graham Tricker's Tron, I heard the EMT JP 66 at Munich and
Also liked the M9 from Audio Note. These were all on different systems though.
Sit me down with a pile of money to buy or build, and keep the change that I don't spend, and I'd still be listening to the same kit.
There's always an agenda at a bake off, just bubbling under the surface, IME.