How would John Bonham sound today

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How would John Bonham sound today

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Further to my mention of quantizing John Bonham, here is the link to the youtube video. This guy does it and it sucks the feel right out of it.

[BBvideo=560,315]https://youtu.be/hT4fFolyZYU[/BBvideo]

Anyone who does not know what quantize means it is what producers do to the music to put notes/beats in sync with a click track. They can see the waveform of the music and move things around on screen. It is used a lot i believe and in the process i think it has ruined modern music (along with other things).

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I think that clearly the best rock music was made in the seventies.
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Nigel wrote: Sun May 19, 2019 10:55 am I think that clearly the best rock music was made in the seventies.
Could not agree more, although lots of good music came out in the 60s and 80s. After this I think music had ran its course and everything good unashamidly draws heavliy from the past. Technology has not been good for music, except its reproduction.
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Thanks for posting that video, Stu, it's very enlightening. If you're going to (over) quantize tracks you may as well use a drum machine or drum software, get rid of the drummer, and hire a drum programmer. As an addendum to that video, I'm forced to use drum software, not being a drummer myself, and while my studio software has the "quantize" function my drum software has a "humanize" function. So, evidently, the producers of drum software recognise that people don't always want to hear perfectly sequenced drumming, but prefer to mix it up a bit. It's not much, but it's a start.

There's a video here showing how to "humanize" tracks in the DAW I use, which will probably be of absolutely no interest to anyone :mrgreen:

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slinger wrote: Sun May 19, 2019 3:35 pm Thanks for posting that video, Stu, it's very enlightening. If you're going to (over) quantize tracks you may as well use a drum machine or drum software, get rid of the drummer, and hire a drum programmer. As an addendum to that video, I'm forced to use drum software, not being a drummer myself, and while my studio software has the "quantize" function my drum software has a "humanize" function. So, evidently, the producers of drum software recognise that people don't always want to hear perfectly sequenced drumming, but prefer to mix it up a bit. It's not much, but it's a start.

There's a video here showing how to "humanize" tracks in the DAW I use, which will probably be of absolutely no interest to anyone :mrgreen:

[BBvideo=560,315]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1_p2kSfk5eo[/BBvideo]
No probs. Thought a few here might be interested. Drum machines like all automation takes away someone's job and sounds crap except where it actually suits the music. Quantizing some one's performance is different to having the song played to a click but even that can stifle things more than i would like.

Ghost notes in drumming are very important and can give a certain groove or feel to the music. Jeff Pocaro on Rosanna (Toto) made all the ghost notes work for the groove. Amazing drummer who also died way too young.
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That video is a good example of how over-producing professionally performed music makes it sound worse.

It'd be interesting to see a video on what quantizing does to a realtively poor drumming performance.

As in is quantizing a leveller? Making great drummers sound worse and poor drummers sound better?
Or is quantizing just a shit tool, that shouldn't be used at all? Or should be used extremely sparingly?

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