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The early Barclay James Harvest albums are on Harvest and are excellent. A band I really like.
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Not always too sure about BJH - some of their material can be a bit 'wimpy'. I do like 'Octoberon' though.

Robert John Godfrey was the 'musical director' of BJH on the first 2 LP's and then left to form The Enid who made some amazing albums like: 'In The Region of Summer Stars' and 'Touch Me'.

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Dr Bunsen Honeydew wrote: Sun May 06, 2018 10:40 pm My ex brother in law Colin Burn was virtually running the pop side of EMI when this was happening, for them Harvest was a daft disaster. Interview with Colin.

Q - It coincided with the artists taking themselves more seriously?

A - Bloody (Pete) Jenner and (Andrew) King, and Pink Floyd. Jenner and King were their managers when they first came. We had this big party in the square; nobody really understood what psychedelia was. Jenner and King had these rotating drums in front of a slide projector and they dropped oil on them. Everyone who came was not looking at Pink Floyd; they were looking at the lights going round the wall. Harvest was a fiasco – that was a (Roy) Featherstone special. There was a lot of good in Featherstone but he did a lot of crappy things and Harvest was one of them. Pink Floyd came through, but there were just so many others. Shirley & Dolly Collins, Roy Harper Band, Kevin Ayers – they never sold records in their time. I don’t know if Kevin Ayers is doing anything now (he may have been at the time of the interview, but he died on February 18, 2013). There were lots of people who had records that everyone considered were hits that were never hits. Simon Dupree’s ‘Kites” – everyone thought that was a a hit record…he never had a hit. He was managed by John King, father of Simon King who does the BBC nature programmes. The loss of contact became for me an automatic, synthetic type of operation.

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He sounds like a typical suit who eventually ruined the industry from a music point of view. Kites got a lot of airplay at the time and a lot of that stuff was decent music that just was not commercial. Sort of stuff that John Peel played at the time. I think PF must have paid for the loss making bands on Harvest. At least you were not out if you didn't get an instant hit in those days which made for an interesting variety of music being available on record. Roy Harper was and still is a class performer.
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As far as prog is concerned it certainly didn't end in 1973 but I can't recall new 'prog' bands starting too much later. I would say that the punk era more or less killed it but that is not to say that established prog bands didn't continue with prog albums. There are some prog tracks even on later Genesis commercial style albums. If Steve Wilson / Porcupine Tree and Marillion aren't prog I am at a loss how you would categorise them. Different sound and in general they aren't just imitating early prog (apart from Genesis like similarity to some early Marillion). The sound became a lot heavier on modern prog. It's notable that some of Porcupine Tree's later output is closer to heavy rock. It's just no longer mainstream with million selling albums. Also instrumentation and modern digital recording ensures it doesn't sound the same, which is maybe the point if you are still locked musically in 1974.
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Still some fine albums after 1974 such as Hatfield and the North "Rotters Club" 1975 and National Health s/t and "Of Queues and Cures" from 1978 and "D.S. Al Coda" 1982

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Then someone will probably ask if the 'Canterbury Scene' was prog. :doh:

Check out the Bruford albums as they continued the National Health tradition. And Dave Stewart's pop albums with Barbara Gaskin are absolute gems.

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Shamelessly lifted from PFM, here is my brief guide to prog:

Obscure lyrics, extended, noodly guitar and/or keyboard solos, long hair, beards, Roger Dean cover art, gatefold sleeves, tie-dye T shirts, velvet loon pants, concept albums, long stays in a country cottage 'to get our heads together', acrimonious splits over 'musical similarities' leading to breakaway groups, Pete Frame family trees, reunion for reasons of poverty, followed by tour of obscure venues performing to five blokes and a dog.

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I think karnevil would approve.

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"Canterbury scene" is prog and that term was invented way after the time.

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