NVA Update

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Re: NVA Update

Unread post by ArloFlynn » Tue Jul 09, 2019 12:04 pm

Yes, David Brook was right! NVA was a giant piss take. Taken by Richard, at the expense of many top manufactures and Distributors, infact nearly all.
He always maintained the Stooopid iiiidiots would have the ‘’piss’’ taken. He did just that with his excellent design technique and and sales model, creating sound per pound that will probably never be beaten. What a piss take!

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Re: NVA Update

Unread post by Lurcher300b » Tue Jul 09, 2019 1:37 pm

selby wrote:
Tue Jul 09, 2019 10:52 am
As I've said before to Richard and recently, NVA could continue, it could also continue and become a more successful (financially at least) than it has been. Richard knew this but he hated marketing and all the growth that comes with marketing, he'd been there and done that in the past.

The best model for NVA now is a 1 to 3 people take over the day-to-day running (whilst Nadia stays a silent partner), a new business plan is developed including marketing, a full review of current products and cost of products to produce and margins. The business would then need relaunching. I'd stick to direct sales and maybe partner with a few specialists who would be happy to keep small stock for demos/sales.

There are options there but it means taking NVA from a bedroom business that paid "enough" for someone to live. To taking it to a proper business (Ltd) with profit targets and growth.
So taking all that, just out of interest. Lets assume that an ap20 contains maybe £75 of parts, guess at £25 for the case. What would you expect the final retail price after paying 1 to 3 peoples wages to construct test and ship it, plus a percentage for Nadia and the cost of marketing with whatever would go towards those specialists. And what volume of sales would you expect to be required and achievable? And given that new price, just how much do you think the current sales volume (whatever it was) would be reduced by the new price, and do you think the marketing could make up that price led drop in sales?

And how would you compete with this for £40

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Re: NVA Update

Unread post by selby » Tue Jul 09, 2019 1:59 pm

I don't know the exact numbers but I believe the cases are way more expensive than £25 but I can't confirm or deny that. I wouldn't expect 3 people to be receiving full salaries the business couldn't ever justify that (would be a different animal to do that) but it should be able to provide 3 to 4 small supplementary salaries I'd suggest.

I'm not sure pricing would need to increase...but without knowing the numbers I can't give comment.

As for competing against that, I'd say that's an insult to NVA as I don't think you can compare an AP20 to eBay special. Also if you go down that route you could pick any hifi supplier and compare them to cheap Chinese amps.
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Re: NVA Update

Unread post by Lurcher300b » Tue Jul 09, 2019 2:10 pm

but without knowing the numbers I can't give comment.
Thats sort of my point, you don't know the numbers, but you did comment.

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Unread post by CN211276 » Tue Jul 09, 2019 4:20 pm

selby wrote:
Tue Jul 09, 2019 1:59 pm
I don't know the exact numbers but I believe the cases are way more expensive than £25 but I can't confirm or deny that. I wouldn't expect 3 people to be receiving full salaries the business couldn't ever justify that (would be a different animal to do that) but it should be able to provide 3 to 4 small supplementary salaries I'd suggest.

I'm not sure pricing would need to increase...but without knowing the numbers I can't give comment.

As for competing against that, I'd say that's an insult to NVA as I don't think you can compare an AP20 to eBay special. Also if you go down that route you could pick any hifi supplier and compare them to cheap Chinese amps.
Even if prices increased significantly, to accomodate salaries and marketing, but not dealers margins, I believe that NVA would still be very competitive. This is on the evidence of my ears when I heard a system of highly regarded components demonstrating the Chord Mscaler. The difference compared to my NVA system at home without the Mscaler, which cost a lot less, was night and day. The system at the dealers would have been fatiguing over a period of time. I would go as far to say that the starter system in the bedroom is more musical and easier on the ear. When I loaned the Mscaler it was a different matter. The transparancy of the NVA system showed what a sample rate four times higher than CD achieves. This was masked by the more expensive system at the dealer.
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Unread post by savvypaul » Tue Jul 09, 2019 4:44 pm

selby wrote:
Tue Jul 09, 2019 1:59 pm
I don't know the exact numbers but I believe the cases are way more expensive than £25 but I can't confirm or deny that. I wouldn't expect 3 people to be receiving full salaries the business couldn't ever justify that (would be a different animal to do that) but it should be able to provide 3 to 4 small supplementary salaries I'd suggest.

I'm not sure pricing would need to increase...but without knowing the numbers I can't give comment.

As for competing against that, I'd say that's an insult to NVA as I don't think you can compare an AP20 to eBay special. Also if you go down that route you could pick any hifi supplier and compare them to cheap Chinese amps.
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Re: NVA Update

Unread post by jimbob » Tue Jul 09, 2019 4:56 pm

I think this needs someone who will take on NVA exactly as it was. It needs someone with just enough knowledge and skill to carbon copy all of Richard’s designs and to make the product range as we know it. This person could then add new products as their confidence and skill set grows.

I guess the feasibility of this and everyone else’s suggestions comes down to how much it will cost to buy NVA. If it’s not too substantial a sum then I think there is a future for NVA.
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Re: NVA Update

Unread post by savvypaul » Tue Jul 09, 2019 4:59 pm

jimbob wrote:
Tue Jul 09, 2019 4:56 pm
I think this needs someone who will take on NVA exactly as it was. It needs someone with just enough knowledge and skill to carbon copy all of Richard’s designs and to make the product range as we know it. This person could then add new products as their confidence and skill set grows.

I guess the feasibility of this and everyone else’s suggestions comes down to how much it will cost to buy NVA. If it’s not too substantial a sum then I think there is a future for NVA.
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Re: NVA Update

Unread post by jimbob » Tue Jul 09, 2019 5:09 pm

Well I have no idea what the turnover has previously been or the number of hours work put in by Richard.

It clearly did work for Richard so it can work for someone else. It all comes down to how much NVA would cost to buy.
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Re: NVA Update

Unread post by CN211276 » Tue Jul 09, 2019 5:12 pm

_D_S_J_R_ wrote:
Tue Jul 09, 2019 4:34 pm
Once you get used to a particular sound presentation and like it, nothing else will do. If you like Cubes, especially the smaller models, nothing else sounds like them so you're on a non-starter listening to anything else without some kind of re-adjustment. Not judging, just trying to put extensive past experiences into current listening - to various Cube models as well as conventional speakers of various styles and presentation.
To my ears Cubes provide a more authentic presentation of music and this applies to 1s, 3s, and Cubettes, all of which I have heard. I believe that the main problem with the system I heard at the dealers were the speakers which were also very bass light compared to Cube 1s. In addition the "sweet spot" was very narrow. Richard was very scathing about tall thin WAF floor standers and after hearing a pair I can see why.
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