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savvypaul wrote: Sat Jul 24, 2021 1:42 pm

The optical rendu is getting a lot of praise. Some saying that it surpasses other end points at £2k plus. There also seems to be an option to add optical modules to my existing rendu. I'll do a bit more digging on that

The optical rendu is apparantly a development of the micro rendu and ultra rendu. Would be interested in finding out if optical modules can be added to the micro.

I found that a Sbooster brought about a bigger improvement to the micro rendu than to the Qutest and Mscaler. This was surprising as the PS with the latter was the supplied one. The MCRU which was powering the Quteat has taken my Topping E30 to a different level. I was not fully aware of the importancde ot PSs to digital components. I am sure that better ones would reap more benefits, but I have reached the point of diminishing returns.
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This provides good information about the Sonore opticalrendu. It is certainly a big departure from the micro and ultra and I doubt if they could be modified to accomodate optical. My understanding is that the opticalrendu can connect directly to a Cisco switch. This would save the expense of the module and and its power supply.
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Sorted https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/224532203420 ... Swv7Fg7IG5

if you prefer to keep your present dac https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/144125288120 ... SwkW5g~Cus

Sorry they are expensive, but how much is the MScaler? and they will sound nice with NVA amps and speakers :grin:

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antonio66 wrote: Tue Jul 27, 2021 1:46 am Sorted https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/224532203420 ... Swv7Fg7IG5

if you prefer to keep your present dac https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/144125288120 ... SwkW5g~Cus

Sorry they are expensive, but how much is the MScaler? and they will sound nice with NVA amps and speakers :grin:
A new Mscaler, following a loan, cost me less than what is in the second link and the first sums up what is going on at the moment with streaming components. Have you seen the prices of Innuous components which are being hyped on forums. Their switch is beyond taking the piss.

For me DACs, streamers and pre amps should be kept seperate for the best SQ and VFM. The down side is the number of boxes and cables, not to mentionn PSs.
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I understand what you are saying about dac's and pre's being separate, but my brother's Rossini, at least for me sounded better playing through his power amp, than going through his Audio Research Ref 5 pre, which costs close to £10K, so one big box was removed from the system

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For those in the market for an affordable NOS R2R DAC and disappointed by the price-rise on the Denafrips Ares II, then help is on the way from Chi-fi manufacturer Musician and their new Draco DAC.

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Available for under 600 pounds via AliExpress.
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http://m.musician-audio.com/en/pd.jsp?mid=1166&pid=13
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Just curious. How would you compare the Ares ll to the Tera Dak 4.5.
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antonio66 wrote: Wed Jul 28, 2021 1:38 am I understand what you are saying about dac's and pre's being separate, but my brother's Rossini, at least for me sounded better playing through his power amp, than going through his Audio Research Ref 5 pre, which costs close to £10K, so one big box was removed from the system
I have tried to remove as many things from my system as possible so your experience strikes a chord with me. CDP output stage, input selector, volume control, speaker padding resistor and high pass capacitor all gone and so much more transparent for it.

Just gotta get rid of the speaker drivers and power amps and I think I'm sorted.
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artsenna wrote: Sun Aug 08, 2021 12:42 am Just curious. How would you compare the Ares ll to the Tera Dak 4.5.
Also the Metrum which I think is the most expensive.
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The NOS DAC's all have a transparency, a sense of light, ease and space, that oversampling DAC's lack (at least the ones I have heard).

The Metrum Musette (now in the lounge setup where I mainly am using the TT) is still a very impressive device with a smooth, authoritative character, sharp detail and a tight, controlled bass.

The Teradak 4.5 Chameleon is sitting in a headphone rig. It is warm and inviting, gloriously musical with fine detail and a rich relaxing sound. The soundstage is narrower than the Musette - but that is no problem for headphones.

The Denafrips Ares II, with its switchable NOS/OS capability is a master of all trades. It can be used for fast accuracy, punch and pinprick detail (OS Sharp) or spacious, serene musicality (NOS). Also there is the OS Slow setting which is a compromise combination of both.

If I had to choose one then it would definitely be the Ares, a breathtaking perfomer (and still so at under a grand). It is also the DAC that has got me the closest to the 'vinyl experience' and actually prompted my current rediscovery of the perils and pitfalls of turntables and LPs.

But I have a soft-spot for the Teradak Chameleon and could easily live with just that. It is unassuming and friendly, taking you into the heart of the music. The Musette has a slightly cold, distant presentation but put into a warm-sounding system (like my lounge setup with vintage NVA amps amd Arcam speakers) it works just fine.
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