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Re: Grounding Boxes

Unread post by Dr Bunsen Honeydew » Thu Dec 06, 2018 11:52 am

Does anyone know what they do or are supposed to do ?

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Re: Grounding Boxes

Unread post by Alfi » Thu Dec 06, 2018 5:26 pm

Aside from making lot of dosh for the manufacturer/distributor/dealer, I haven't got a clue Doc.

Maybe there's a foo clue here?.....


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Re: Grounding Boxes

Unread post by CN211276 » Thu Dec 06, 2018 5:29 pm

Alfi wrote:
Thu Dec 06, 2018 5:26 pm
Aside from making lot of dosh for the manufacturer/distributor/dealer, I haven't got a clue Doc.

Maybe there's a foo clue here?.....


https://www.russandrews.com/system-grounding/


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Re: Grounding Boxes

Unread post by Dr Bunsen Honeydew » Thu Dec 06, 2018 5:38 pm

I will copy it here so anyone with any tech knowledge can comment. I have never known Russ Andrews (as an individual and company) to say anything but slurp motivate :Bllocks: so you can guess what I think about this. The PDF is worth reading just to observe a conman in action.

"About Our Grounding Products
We have developed a unique range of grounding products which offer an excellent way of removing sound-degrading RF (radio frequency) energy from your system. They work by offering an easy path to ground for RF noise that is both on the mains earth and in the form of 'casework RF energy'.

In our experience, RF grounding gives a substantial improvement in the sound, with cleaner, deeper bass and a more stable soundstage. Russ has produced straightforward instructions guiding you through the process: click the cover image to download our PDF guide."

People who sell these things are a DISGRACE to our industry and hobby. You can tell the bullshitters, they never talk about music, it is all hi-fi speak. There is no reality in this apart from the slurp made by everyone INCLUDING THE RETAILERS in the selling chain. Don't believe any of them do not trust any of them, they just want your money, nothing else.

All I can tell you is because we float (some will know what I mean) as we are ClassII construction with acrylic case, we cannot even have the minute possibility of there being any benefit.

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Re: Grounding Boxes

Unread post by Classicrock » Sun Dec 09, 2018 12:33 pm

Russ's description of hi-fi type improvements is cut and paste for every new product he has ever launched. Each one 'improves' bass. If you added them all I imagine there should be enough bass energy to bring your house down.

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Re: Grounding Boxes

Unread post by Dr Bunsen Honeydew » Sun Dec 09, 2018 1:00 pm

When he had his original shop in Glasgow he and Ivor were great mates until they realised neither was listening to the other, both only interested in their own voices - a pair of giant EGOs. Put the two of them and Marco locked in a small room and see which one was alive after a week, my vote would be for Ivor.

Though Marco might produce so much stink and shit the others would commit suicide :angry-screaming:

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Re: Grounding Boxes

Unread post by Geoff.R.G » Tue Dec 18, 2018 8:06 pm

As with all scams there is an element of truth in there. The higher the resistance to earth the more noise, quite correct, in a balanced system. Unfortunately for the seller/manufacturer most domestic systems aren't balanced and we don't actually need anything connected to Earth (Ground) potential (NVA with Class 11 for example). Equally, all the noise on the mains won't find its way to ground unless there is something between live and earth, say a surge protector, why anyone with the first idea about power supply principles would fall for the sales pitch I can't imagine. You only have to read it with some intelligence to see what tripe it really is.

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Re: Grounding Boxes

Unread post by _D_S_J_R_ » Wed Jan 02, 2019 12:27 pm

I know it's pretty pictures, but try this -

https://www.audiosciencereview.com/foru ... ments.476/

In this case, the box which comes with but one 'wire' appears to add noise to the test setup. So it's certainly doing 'something.'

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Re: Grounding Boxes

Unread post by Dr Bunsen Honeydew » Sun Jan 06, 2019 7:11 pm

The people promoting these like the Vicar and his dog are either part of the scam or victims of the scam. Note how it the same people who fell for the other scams like spaghetti / ravioli and £120 mains fuses. In the Vicars case I don't know how he can tell what is doing what, it is now just a Coherent spam system for the sake of the rest of the forum.

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Re: Grounding Boxes

Unread post by alfer » Sun Jan 06, 2019 7:27 pm

There are certain forum members who have their worlds changed by the slightest hint of possible improvement. Macca on AoS is trying to bring some sanity to the ‘hearers’ of these boxes. Well done Macca

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