What should I do with my old LP12?

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A roksan tabriz Zi and what was 10yr ago a top of the range zyx.

A zyx 30 something. It is 2yr old new old stock direct from japan

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Thanks Dan, not what's usually fitted to a PT is it, usually I see Helius or Rega arms, or SME V's on the Anni?

The Zyx has a dedicated following I read.

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[quote="Chunk McDaniel" post_id=172610 time=1526052461 user_id=29178]
If it's in good nick I would sell it and buy a Lenco 75 model and get it serviced and popped into a nice birch ply plinth and still have money left over to buy some vinyl.
Best advice so far or a G88 or G99

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Sort it out and use it or cash it in for other hifi fun.

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Shamanic wrote: Fri May 11, 2018 6:35 pm
Chunk McDaniel wrote: Fri May 11, 2018 4:27 pm If it's in good nick I would sell it and buy a Lenco 75 model and get it serviced and popped into a nice birch ply plinth and still have money left over to buy some vinyl.
Best advice so far or a G88 or G99
Hmm, actually there were many versions of the Goldring Lenco GL 75/78. As they were out sourced and therefore rebadged, you want to find the best version. For example, HMV versions were top of range with sprung chassis and more importantly the metal idler wheel. To get the best you need to dig deep into the marque to understand all the iterations.

Best advise is probably not to go for a GL88 or a GL99 as you are restricted by the need to retain the TT chassis and better would be to go for a best quality GL75 and then be prepared to be radical in how it is implemented, which would be cutting up the top plate and fitting it into a deep and dense ‘Tear Drop’ plinth as manufactured by Anthony Creswell. He is a member here but I can’t find his user name. He is the son of SteveTheShadow who will no doubt direct you. Certainly, if you go down this route, you’ll get a much better TT which will look very good and be great fun to use.

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savvypaul wrote: Fri May 11, 2018 12:16 pm Constructive - play LPs on it
Comical - play LPs on it
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G88's and G99's suffer drive rumble as do most idler drives but it seems only I can hear it. The LP12 can be silent in the background if the arm and cartridge suit it well. if it's an old LP12 though, it'll cost you a fortune to restore it, but I suppose one good thing is that parts are available to do it up.

To put it into perspective though, for the price of an original Cirkus kit (a necessity for any form of bass improvement but current £500 ones don't have the sub chassis the ones I sold came with for around £800 back then), you can buy a Notts Analogue Spacedeck, which out-LP12's in all the 'tune dem' parameters. For around £2k, I believe you can still get an AceSpace with 'heavy kit and an RB330, this latter singing so freely with this turntable. An Akito tonearm which started life at around £200, now sells for £1500 I'm told - it's not made of plasticine as early ones seemed to be though...

It depends on the age of the LP12 and the depth of your pocket. Once I'd heard how great the Spacedeck was to me thirty years ago now, any enthusiasm for the fruitbox evaporated. By the time I came back to working at a now deceased Linn dealer twenty years ago now (EEK!!!) the plinth had been upgraded too and the top plate had extra fixings underneath to further sink away the remaining motor vibration. Stupid money though and hardly anyone bought them by then, although it's changing now as ageing sheeple drift back to their eighties youth...
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re my Lenco conversions, I'm just doing a conversion on a Lenco GL69 at the moment for a friend named Nigel. A little different to the 75 conversion, the chassis and linkages aren't exactly the same so abit of reengineering is required. Mocked up with an Acos gst1. I've been supposed to be getting on with this for ages, my recent situation has been turned on its head and I needed to do something to retain some sanity. So I got on with it.

ImageGl69 conversion by anthony cresswell, on Flickr

My 75 with at1100 in walnut

ImageLenco + audio technica at1100 + at 150sa by anthony cresswell, on Flickr

And one with a tabriz zi in cherry. I liked this one it turned out really well

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Analogue: oracle delphi sme 309, jbe series 3 cx unipivot dv20x2l, roksan xerxes tabriz vm750, jvc ql-y5f rigb at440, jvc ql-y3f vm750, lenco 75, technics sl150

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Wet Cotlake wrote: Fri May 11, 2018 10:50 pm
Hmm, actually there were many versions of the Goldring Lenco GL 75/78. As they were out sourced and therefore rebadged, you want to find the best version. For example, HMV versions were top of range with sprung chassis and more importantly the metal idler wheel. To get the best you need to dig deep into the marque to understand all the iterations.

Being a seller of GL75's and 78's when they were new, I'd ask for proof of the fact that Lenco out-sourced these models with concurrent versions internally. The basic drive system was unchanged for decades, but the idler did develop as time went on, the metal one (multi-hole and then two-hole) being judged better in the late 60's or whenever it was, over the plastic one used before. It was discussed in my long chucked-out Hi Fi Sound mags.

The 75 used to be mounted in a sprung plinth, the deck plate sitting on grommets at each corner and two screws under the platter basically held it in place. The 78 and similar era 75's went to a spring system on a solid plinth around 1974 from memory - My first proper deck was a GL75 previously used in a cabinet bought as an 18th birthday present and Goldring let me have their last sprung base (with early Linn style lid plus stay). I'm not sure if this was actually 'better' to be honest, but the integral springs meant that these decks could be fitted into a 'music centre' successfully and my Dads old Dynatron had a GL78 in it which I serviced and fitted an AT95E - sounded good too as the amp had also been serviced properly prior to my getting it for Dad. There were versions of the better Goodmans receivers with decks in the top. often Garrard Zero 100's but I think the GL75 went in too. The last 75's had the smaller edge chamfer 78 platter too which made sense - the 78 mat was slightly larger diameter and went closer to the platter edge. Of course there were others who own-plinthed re-badged versions and Leak and others? used fancier controls too, but I don't think the innards were any different from stock production from memory. I believe all the mods made were evolutionary with a time-scale but could be mistaken.

I don't mean to be a pain here and if the above is wrong, I'd love to read of it.

Ant or anyone - If you have any later Lenco springs (shallow type as used with the GL78 and also a GL78 plinth (and cover?) in fair condition, I'd be interested. I have a really nice GL78 chassis which I'm not going to butcher, but it needs a plinth and the suspension springs for it as the deck won't mount properly in the earlier Goldring plinth I have here.


Lastly - and I relay this from a pal who had over twenty lenco's in his loft a few years ago - they've gone now... Some GL75's not stored properly rust underneath he told me. The best condition ones were in chunky Sony plinths (I remember the GL78 version they did but not the 75, although I have pics of it somewhere). Since any that Ant gets are immediately carved up, it probably doesn't matter, but I'm all for keeping things as original as possible and maybe looking at that eastern Europe damped uni-pivot I discussed a week or so back, as apparently it sits straight in a Lenco arm-hole and may not need butchering to work with the original lenco cueing device fittings (un-tried, but who knows...). I still think a replacement L75 arm-tube/arm wand complete would be interesting as apparently, it's very difficult to re-wire let alone do anything else with it.
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