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Hell, you MUST have been able to hear what an LP12 did over the Rega, I mean, the bass colouration in the early 80's fruitbox was clear to behold, even if it was this bass (lack of) quality that so many people liked? There were other aspects too (Rega's all run slightly too fast for one thing, even today sadly), but no point in going into them.
The fact is, the LP12 made a lot of people very happy with their record playing and some still rate it. The thing's had much development work done on it and so it bloody well should have, the price it sells for today. As for the rest of us people who've been 'educated,' there's plenty of good stuff out there and if you know what you're doing, some fantastic sounds can be got from vinyl for not much money - that Pro-Ject 2 is one such bargain if it can be had and it's easily tweakable methinks. For example, I had two Technics SL1500's (one started out as an SL150 without arm and I was able to buy cheaply the pukka Technics arm for it, which simply bolts in, in place of the SME tonearm plate). This little deck can sound incredibly good once you know how to use it (like a Rega with lid removed for starters) and the second one I had 'played tunes' and 'communicated' with the best of them. One of the 'not high spots' of my stash was a Rega P3 which I built out of very cheap and donated parts and plonked the R200 arm on it. Bloody awful and the motor drones through to the stylus as well - once you've heard that high-bass 'hum' in the background, it gets bloody annoying even if it's mostly buried in the surface noise as the Rega-drone is (my Garrard 86SB had two partly collapsed motor mounts and it's VERY audible on this one sadly even with a different motor fitted).
I live alone in this my heaven, in my love (and) in my songs.
I know its not the best TT in the world but it IMHO sounds engaging and at less than half the price of the current base spec LP12 it seemed a low risk investment i.e. I could get my money back on it if I don't like it. However I have to agree with some earlier posts that it can be a money pit (if you let it) and current models pricing is laughable but then so are many other mid to so called high end TTs.These days an LP12 is by no means the most expensive deck you can buy.
I have owned a few decks starting off with a Garrard SP25 and then a BSR MacDonald MP60 which I thought sounded better, a TD150 then TD 160 which sounded dull, a Philips GA212 which sounded much better than it should and a Michell Gyro and a number of Technics SL1210 DDs which sounded mechanical and un engaging to me and numerous Regas which sound a little perfunctory to me. The LP12 has its faults but I find it is engaging to listen to and is good enough for me with a modest vinyl collection that is unlikely to grow.
A few years later I read about some changes in a hifi magazine, the only one I’ve ever really read, so I trusted the words of the reviewers/owners. This was before I was aware of Forums. I followed the changes. Then I discovered Forums and followed some of the changes on them.
I have never been able to confirm if the changes made sound any different to the original, as I have never heard the original due to not having a ‘proper’ system until a few, maybe 8 or 9 years ago. I have also never compared it to other turntables.
Therefore I like the sound it makes because it is the only one I know.
I have a LENCO L75 bought a couple of years ago to ‘do up’,(cost about £40 quid from a charity shop) as I have always wanted to hear an idler and belt turntable in my system, but no rush.
First TT was a Sansui SR-222 MKII with an Ortofon cartridge
Then I was bowling in a tournament at Lewis ham Bowling ally and had a bit of time to spare so went alone to Billy Vee sound systems and listened to a Rega 3 and R200 with a Rega cartridge I think it was a E77 and compared it to an LP12 with the same arm and cartridge I bought the Linn LP12 and Rega are and cartridge.
A year later bought an Ittok Azak to go on the LP12 from Grahams London
A few years later went into the newly opened Sound Organization London as I worked in Tool Street SE1 the shop was a 5-minute walk away.
I had been going into the TSO for about a year when I got the upgrade itch and felt it was time to change arm or cartridge and was Told I need to change the LP12 to a Roksan Xerxes and I compared the Roksan with a Rega arm to the Linn and the Istook needless to say I preferred the Roksan and then they played it with an SME V arm with a Koetsu Red signature and that’s what I bought.
Then I got a call that the guys had a new Turntable in did I want to have a listen to see what I thought they had fell out of love with Linn for one reason or another and one of the original owners moved to York to start the company.
So the new TT was the SME30 I thought it sounded great but was way out of my price range still some time later the SME 20 was out and I bought it sold my Roksan with the SME V attached and the new TT was installed at home I also changed the Koetsu cartridge for a Lira Parnassus (Which was a Mistake) I missed the Koetsu
Some time after that every body was sell their Turntable and there LP collections I saw an ad for a used SME 30 for sale at £4500 I called the guy went to his house and paid a depots collected at the weekend and sold my SME 20 with a week guy drove down from Scotland knock at my door at 10.00am not sure what time he started but really wanted my SME 20
My last change was to buy a Koetsu Jade diamond and a Graham Phantom B44 tone arm, which I still have today.
I like the sound information retrieval from this combination It’s easy to setup and I do not think I will sell it the only problem will be when I peg it my son and daughter will go to war over who get it as they have both been brought up on vinyl
Currently running it with a Cyrus Phono Signature + Psx-R2 which allows me to tweak the settings and so the sound of the 'toppy' apheta cart to something more my liking. This is my choice as its very 'plug and play' I don't want to be having to take my turntable in for a service and spring tweaking The main points of my liking are that it has bags of get up and go, very musical, engaging and has a great bottom end.