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karatestu wrote: Sun Apr 07, 2019 8:23 am LesW at Avondale audio is direct sales and not too much slurp. I would say NVA is beter value but Les' stuff is more complex (more components and often fancy regulators included).
I thought Les had retired.

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CN211276 wrote: Sun Apr 07, 2019 9:04 am Being ripped off is part of life and does not just apply to hifi. Last year we booked a fjords cruise for next month at a very reasonable price. It is only now that we are being informed about all these additional extras we had no idea were coming. We have not been on a cruise before and were probably a bit naive. I think this is worse than what is going on in the hifi industry.
What extras are these? Are they compulsory extras or optional?

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Dr Bunsen Honeydew wrote: Sat Apr 06, 2019 11:40 pm
TroutFisher wrote: Sat Apr 06, 2019 11:28 pm A couple of other direct sellers. Same terms as NVA. Audio Origami who specialises in tone arms and other stuff. Paul Haynes who does power supplies and other stuff. Obviously our own Colin Wonfer. Falcon Acoustics speakers. That’s just off the top of my head. To be honest their are loads out there.
But are they companies as such or just a side venture from the main job (Lurcher is this as well) or a hobby extension. Falcon is a good point but does he really sell to you at trade I doubt it. Probably the nearest is Audio Origami. Colin can't make up his mind how and what he wants to sell, it changes every few weeks, but that is part of the fun of him, the unpredictability. He seems to have taken on a distributor according to his latest post, so no he doesn't comply with my terms.

Perhaps we should start a club for non rip-off direct sellers, like organic food or real ale, they have to comply with the non rip-off organic / real hi-fi rules.
Tube Audio Lab appear to be another one doing it as a sideline.

But just because someone may have a regular job on top of the hi-fi, well that's their own personal business.

Direct, cost plus sellers do appear to be, on the whole, very small 1 or 2 or half a man band businesses.

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Cruises - I have only ever done one, Red Sea, and never again, for some reason just about everyone on board had a Newcastle accent, which is fine in small doses but constant for over a week :shock: I was dreaming "wahey man", then half the ship went down with the runs, inc me - NEVER AGAIN

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Dr Bunsen Honeydew wrote: Sun Apr 07, 2019 9:13 am
karatestu wrote: Sun Apr 07, 2019 8:23 am LesW at Avondale audio is direct sales and not too much slurp. I would say NVA is beter value but Les' stuff is more complex (more components and often fancy regulators included).
I thought Les had retired.
Les will never retire. He has scaled back a lot and his product line very much reduced. And he does not post on pfm anymore -asked TonyL to delete his account because he had enough of the ridiculous people who frequent hifi forums.
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TroutFisher wrote: Sat Apr 06, 2019 9:38 pm Interesting. If what you say is true, please explain to me how the system works so that new cars are always available to buy? If no profit, how does the system continue?

It’s very true, i’ve been in the motor trade for over 30 years as a service advisor, salesman, technician and an MOT tester. I was also a manager for Kwik Fit in the 90’s and some of the fleecing of customers was frankly criminal. I’m talking shoving screws/nails into the sidewalls of tyres so they couldn’t be repaired, spraying shock absorbers with WD40 to make it look like they were leaking and all manner of horrible shit. I walked out in the end as i really couldn’t sleep at night.
Anyway, i digress..

The chassis profit used to be great and thats how the money was made, but now it’s very possible to sell the car at a loss and still profit.
The “add ons” is where the extra money for dealers is at.
You have GAP insurance at £300 and upwards (which if needed is a great product).
Paint protection (usually £300-£500 depending on the dealer). I’ll keep my opinion to myself whether i think its a good buy.
Tyre insurance.
Wheel insurance.
Scratch and dent insurance.
I can't remember how much these are but at a guess probably £100 and upwards.
Service plans. Can be a good deal both ways and it ties the customer to the dealer for 3 years.
Finance profit, whether it be PCP or HP.
Profit from selling part exchanges at auction or to traders.
Back end registration bonus from the manufacturer. This is why so many dealers register unsold cars (and sell them as demos/pre reg) to make up the numbers to hit their targets (this is a lot of money). Also manufacturers will give discounts based on performance.
Most of these add ons are fairly recent due to advent of the internet and with people shopping around, and companies like Drive the deal and Car Wow, who will undercut the main dealers by a small fortune. The dealers still supply the above companies with cars and make a loss, but as i said, they get the back end money and its better than a forecourt full of unsold cars which the dealer has already paid for.
Years ago you used to just go to the local dealer to buy a car and maybe get some mud flaps, carpet mats and a tank of fuel thrown in whilst paying full up for the car.
I will say that main dealers don't make anywhere near the profit selling cars that some people think they do. Thats where the service department comes in.
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Feck me, insurance for everything. I dont believe in insurance. They would make very little out of me (watter tite farmer in yorkshire tha noz).
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Well there is one thing the hi-fi rip of companies learnt from the motor trade, how to stitch up the customers with service. What a con!!!!!! an amp is not a car it doesnt need regular service at stoooopid prices. Another slurp.

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I am trying to find place or places to put this up as an advert, or at least part of it. Any suggestion, my only attempt ATM is with Wigwam if he will accept it - I am in communication.

WE ARE DIFFERENT

We are direct sellers. We supply everyone at trade price. This is 30 to 50% less cost to you than if we sold via Hi-Fi Retailers.

We sell through our shop at ebay, https://www.ebay.co.uk/str/nenevalleyaudio and the new shop https://www.ebay.co.uk/str/NVAhifi?_trk ... 7675.l2563 for anything not listed at ebay through our forum www.hifisubjectivist.org

We operate 2 schemes to give no risk access and demonstration in your own home and system of what NVA does for your music.

1/ all UK sales have free delivery and a 30 day trial period with a no quibble return at the end of it if you are unhappy in anyway.

2/ if you do not wish us to hold your money for a month and still want to try NVA then we do a loan scheme, operated from our forum hifisubjectivist, you will find it here viewforum.php?f=30 this is only for UK customers and limited officially to 7 days, but we are flexible if time is needed. In this case you have to pay for fully insured shipping both ways.

We then operate a no loss upgrade scheme so you can start anywhere in the range to try and see, and upgrade for no loss up to two years from purchase. And at a negotiated price after that.

We want you to hear NVA with your music, and our many customers have written reviews on both loans and purchases. You will find them here viewforum.php?f=31

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