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I have always wondered how the car industry works as it looks like a complete fog to me.

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Dr Bunsen Honeydew wrote: Sat Apr 06, 2019 12:33 pm It is not difficult to prove you send me a photo of your Chord inside, I will cost it and you will see what a rip off they are. FFS I have a DAC (used with £50 power supply) that costs £5 from China that according to those who have compared is up there with the Chord even if some think the Chord is better. You cannot justify that, *you* try as you have invested a lot of opinion in the Chord, but step back and look at reality *you have been ripped off*, now you may be happy for that to happen, that is your choice, but reality IS reality.
I am not denying that Chord DACs are considerably over priced. The point I am making is they are competitive against, and often cheaper than, market rivals which are sold directly. With regard to the comparison with the Chinese DAC, the Chord DAC had a fixed output of 3v. I have found the optimum level for NVA amps to be lower, my Qutest sounding best set at 1v. I understand the Chinese DAC has a low output and this would have levelled things out to some extent.
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A couple of other direct sellers. Same terms as NVA. Audio Origami who specialises in tone arms and other stuff. Paul Haynes who does power supplies and other stuff. Obviously our own Colin Wonfer. Falcon Acoustics speakers. That’s just off the top of my head. To be honest their are loads out there.

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What you should be saying is "I have made a conscious decision to accept that I am being ripped off, but I have paid for it and like it so I am keeping it" that is fine as *your* personal decision but others should realise there is a better course / way for their money to go. But personal choices are personal choices, I do not defy them I just tell the truth for people who want to read it.

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TroutFisher wrote: Sat Apr 06, 2019 11:28 pm A couple of other direct sellers. Same terms as NVA. Audio Origami who specialises in tone arms and other stuff. Paul Haynes who does power supplies and other stuff. Obviously our own Colin Wonfer. Falcon Acoustics speakers. That’s just off the top of my head. To be honest their are loads out there.
But are they companies as such or just a side venture from the main job (Lurcher is this as well) or a hobby extension. Falcon is a good point but does he really sell to you at trade I doubt it. Probably the nearest is Audio Origami. Colin can't make up his mind how and what he wants to sell, it changes every few weeks, but that is part of the fun of him, the unpredictability. He seems to have taken on a distributor according to his latest post, so no he doesn't comply with my terms.

Perhaps we should start a club for non rip-off direct sellers, like organic food or real ale, they have to comply with the non rip-off organic / real hi-fi rules.

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Any NVA product will stand on its own in any mix and match system and compete with the best and more than compete when it comes to price, BUT the main benefit of NVA is that during the time the company has existed we have created a design synergy where NVA becomes more than that and reaches its plateau in a NVA system. We have made everything hi-fi under NVA name in its nearly 40 years existence. CD players, Turntables, and DACs are no longer made but they are in our history.

Mix and Match, or NVA system, you wont find better value for money music from ANY other new products, obviously 2nd hand can still throw up some real bargains if you are clever or lucky.

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So far I have only looked at UK companies. If you go to the Chinese version of eBay - Ali Express - you will find dozens if not hundreds of companies doing exactly what I say. OK you take a chance with these as there is dangerous crap amoungst the good stuff, the same was true of the Japanese in the early 60s and look how good they got. We will see how the Chinese makers progress. BUT what I find hilarious about the whole stooopidity of our hobby is that without China and Russia etc none of our rip off companies would survive, you think they survive on UK sales then think again. AND it is the middlemen in those new markets who are forcing prices up and giving you your rip off, as companies have to agree to have worldwide near price equality, so the UK suffers from foreign middleman greed. Reason is the new rich in new economies want the prestige of foreign *known* products be they cars or hi-fi.

Some names especially with collectors items it is justified but the likes of thousands of pounds for original BBC LS3/5a is madness, especially as the KEF drivers are now fecked with age.

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LesW at Avondale audio is direct sales and not too much slurp. I would say NVA is better value but Les' stuff is more complex (more components and often fancy regulators included).
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Being ripped off is part of life and does not just apply to hifi. Last year we booked a fjords cruise for next month at a very reasonable price. It is only now that we are being informed about all these additional extras we had no idea were coming. We have not been on a cruise before and were probably a bit naive. I think this is worse than what is going on in the hifi industry.
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DH Labs ethernet, BNC & USB cables, Farnells cat 8 ethernet cable

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NVA P20/ A20, Cubettes, LS3, SSP, SC
Sonore MicroRendu, Chord Mojo 2 MCRU PSs, AQ Carbon USB cable & JB FMJ

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One does not excuse the other.

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