Cube 1s & 3s / Harbeth P3ESR / Usher S520 + ??? Durham

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Re: Cube 1s & 3s / Harbeth P3ESR / Usher S520 + ??? Durham

Unread post by Dr Bunsen Honeydew » Sun Oct 08, 2017 11:09 pm

Exposure to Cubes sometimes confuses people. They have a mind set as to what a speaker is and what it does. If they want a Cube to do that but better then they get confused.

Go listen to live music, not the artificiality of a stadium or hall PA, I mean live music. Compare a Cube to that and you have the real comparison. The whole flat earth in yer face sound was created to simulate a home PA system, and most recent speakers are still trying to do this to a greater or lesser extent.

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Unread post by antonio66 » Mon Oct 09, 2017 5:53 am

Good to hear everyone enjoyed your BO Paul. I remember hearing a pair of Elac's (don't know the model but cost £2500 many yeas ago) and thoroughly enjoying them. Now I have Cubes though, I'm pretty sure my feelings will have changed.

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Unread post by savvypaul » Mon Oct 09, 2017 9:41 am

When I first got the Cubes it did take me a few days to properly appreciate what was happening. I had only known 'point and squirt' in 30 odd years of hifi ownership up until then (discounting 5 minutes here and there with a dealer's electrostatics).

It clicked with me first when listening to classical pieces. I attend concerts at The Sage, Gateshead and at churches / chapels, so I have a frame of reference for live music that is not pumped through a PA (although, I have plenty of experience of that, too.)

Once my ears / brain understood the difference between semi-omni and p&s then it's been impossible (for me) to unhear that difference. I can still enjoy p&s speakers for what they are...but I know that what I am hearing is being pumped 'at me'.
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Unread post by Fretless » Mon Oct 09, 2017 10:24 am

When I first heard NVA Cubes at a demo in the late 1980's I was blown away by the 'archway' of music that these odd-looking (black, square, woofer on top - bizarre!) speakers created and this left a lasting impression. I got close to the effect for a while with a set of Magnepan magnetostatic flat-panels - but there was a sense of vitality and dynamics missing.

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Now with a modest set of refurbished mk1 Cube 3's in place - that old memory has been realised. It does require a mental shift in comprehension to listen to the room acoustic rather than the programmed-in 'HiFI-think' of standard speaker presentation. But my search is for insight into the music and performer - and the semi-omni approach gives you that in spades.

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Unread post by Quarknosis » Mon Oct 09, 2017 10:27 am

savvypaul wrote:
Sun Oct 08, 2017 10:30 pm
I'd like to hear the IMFs sometime, Quark. Ooooh, and the Lenco that I've just spotted in your sig... :grin:
I should really update my signature, the Lenco is no longer with me but a listen to the IMFs could be possible :grin:

I do have plans to do a DIY speaker based on Cubes at some point.
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Unread post by CN211276 » Mon Oct 09, 2017 2:43 pm

I was far from sure that I would take to the Cubes as I listen to a lot of in your face hard rock and metal, but with the 30 day return option there was nothing to lose. I was conveted right from the off, the different presentation is so much better to my ears, what ever music is playing. The living room is not a concert hall and it now seems logical to me that the semi-omnidirectional approach is more appropriate in this environment. The sense of attack is not lost, even on the heaviest rock. and this is now coupled with the big sound stage with the music appearing to not be coming through the speakers.

The other big plus is I do not have to be sat in the middle of the sofa for the optimum sound. This is all the more important as the room is large with the dedicated listning area confined to a width section which only covers about a third. I am now on the PC, situated a good way away, and the sound here bears no comparison to what it was with point and squirt.
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Unread post by herbie07 » Mon Oct 09, 2017 4:55 pm

Dear all

Many thanks for the comments, the issue here lies with me and what I expect to hear in a domestic hi fi situation. It's odd because I don't have that expectation from my car audio for example. I look forward to additional bake offs to further my exposure and rewire/remove that expectation.

Antonio66 - the Elacs at the bake-off were much lower in the food chain (AU$1650 15 yrs ago, prob around £800-900 new at a guess).

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Unread post by Dr Bunsen Honeydew » Mon Oct 09, 2017 6:37 pm

Understandable, no one here is questioning your thoughts, more an interest in what is behind them.

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Unread post by herbie07 » Mon Oct 09, 2017 7:02 pm

Ah OK - to clarify no criticism of the Cubes was intended :oops:

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Unread post by Dr Bunsen Honeydew » Mon Oct 09, 2017 7:10 pm

None was seen, please relax. There would have been no problem even if you hated the Cubes - IT IS A BAKE-OFF - and the only way to make them credible is to accept all and every opinion. You are absolutely welcome to hate anything and everything NVA if that is what you hear and decide.

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